Another Poll Confirms Christie Alienating Public

by: Hopeful

Wed May 18, 2011 at 12:02:51 AM EDT

New Jersey residents are divided on Governor Chris Christie's job performance and his ratings have dropped since the last Monmouth University/NJ Press Media Poll in February.  He now stands at 47% approve to 49% disapprove among all state residents.  Among registered voters, he has a 46% positive to 49% negative job rating.

           The change in Christie's rating comes mainly from the number of people who shifted from having no opinion of the governor a few months ago to holding a negative view today.

This is the third poll this month with Christie back under 50% approval and surging disapproval. What's going on? Pollster Patrick Murray points to the continuing budget problems. I too think that after 18 months the incumbent governor starts to own the problems. But I think still think that his bullying and rightward shift to appeal to other states' Republican Presidential primary voters is also hurting him.

The sample has 807 New Jersey adults and a margin of error of 3.5%. You might be amused to see they polled on the governor's "YouTube" town hall performances. I should point out that the legislature, which will actually be on the ballot this year, still polls poorly (33% approve, 47% disapprove) but there's nothing new in that.  

Your Governor Doesn't Work Weekends

by: Rosi Efthim

Mon May 09, 2011 at 04:04:24 PM EDT

See, the theme Christie's been hammering to death reduces the entire legislative branch (though we know it's really only the Democrats he really means) to not much more than his own private disappointment. For Chris Christie if the legislature isn't doing what he wants, they're doing ... nothing at all. Totally into the finger-wagging. At a "Town Hall" he issued a "Report Card" on the "do nothing legislature," issuing them an "incomplete" on a list of changes he wants enacted.

But now we find out the same guy who slams the "do nothing legislature" doesn't ...even ...work ...weekends. Jeff Pickens gets credit for shooting us this link. It seems on Take Your Daughters and Sons to Work Day, your governor did a little Q & A with some of the kids of state workers. He talked a little Mets, joked about running for President. Then, answering a kid, this:

Does the governor work on the weekends?
"No," the governor said...

Turns out he was working that weekend, but apparently usually doesn't. Really? That's just stunning news. I'm sorry, but if you run for chief executive - governor, president - you'd better be quite prepared to be available 24/7. And if you're not, STFU.  

Rosenthal chooses Democratic map

by: 12mileseastofTrenton

Sat Apr 02, 2011 at 05:52:23 PM EDT

Girgenti gets moved into the 38th with Gordon, but he may try to move into the new 35th, which will be 48% Latino.

The 33rd will now be 47% Latino, which could be trouble for DINO Stack.

Codey will stay in 27th but have a tougher district as several Morris County towns are moved in.

The second district was apparently made a bit more Democratic.  A third senate seat was created in Ocean County, but Sean Kean and Robert Singer were thrown into one district.

Reed Gusciora and Princeton were moved out of the 15th district.  To where, is not clear.  Joe Malone and Bordentown were moved from the 30th to the 7th.

Upshot is that Democrats will likely keep control with reduced majorities.  Something like 22-18 and 44-36.

http://www.politickernj.com/46...

Christie's Approach to Higher Education: Inaction and Kicking the Can

by: Bill Orr

Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 12:20:00 PM EST

With the usual fanfare in May Governor Chris Christie signed Executive Order 26 establishing the New Jersey Higher Education Task Force. After having several weeks to review the Task Force's recommendations, Governor Christie held a press conference on Tuesday. Christie's response was not to help "grow infrastructure, increase accessibility, or promote excellence." Rather, he simply put his own political signature on creating a Higher Education Council (Executive Order 52), and then kicked the can down the road by indicating the state can not afford additional investments in education now and by forming yet another advisory committee to develop recommendations for graduate medical education (Executive Order 51). He then diverted attention from the report by calling for passage of his own education "tool kit" proposals.

After all the effort of Tom Kean and his fellow members, we are left wondering why Christie established the task force in the first place, and what commitment if any he has to this cause. And we can also wonder about the timing of the press conference and whether it was designed to divert attention from his abdication of responsibility during the recent snow storm.

Tom Kean's approach was to empower a new council and a Higher Education Secretary to take on more leadership. The Council Christie created is to consist of five members, all appointed by him and reporting to him, and meeting as infrequently as 4 times a year. Christie so far has shown no interest in appointing a Secretary to this long vacant position.

The Task Force pointed out that New Jersey has the fewest post-secondary seats per high school graduate (page 138) and the lowest state appropriation in Higher Learning (page 126) than any other state. These long-known pressing concerns the governor ignored.

Christie fancies himself an expert on graduate medical education because of his prosecutorial intervention into UMDNJ affairs. However, his only action was to call for the third study of this matter via an advisory committee with an extremely broad mandate encompassing hospitals, medical schools, nursing schools, UNDNJ, Rutgers and even NJIT.      

His press release following receipt of the task force's report spent almost as much space on promoting his Tool Kit as it did on the report itself. Hopefully the Legislature will pay more attention to the report's recommendations.

King James and King Christie

by: Bill Orr

Thu Jul 08, 2010 at 02:08:25 PM EDT

Basketball is a team sport. To win the finals a team generally needs three superb players. When a team lacks multiple strong members and someone like LeBron James takes over the game, he scores a lot of points, but  because other members stand around submissively watching their leader, their team does not do as well. The Lakers and Celtics, each with multiple superstars, fared better in the playoffs. In the unlikely event that LeBron were to decide to join the Nets, he could score lots of points, but he would not have key high enough caliber team members to ensure play-off success.

In NJ government where a team of Executive, Legislative, and Supreme Court leaders should be striving together for excellent governance, we have King Christie taking over the game while others often stand by and watch. Not a formula for victory.  Even on a basketball team different players have different personal agendas, but like our NJ leaders they are paid by the same source and should have a single objective of succeeding in their task. NJ governance would benefit from at least three key players, but is currently operating with only one superstar.

NJ Nets would not benefit from King James, and NJ is not benefitting from King Christie. Neither the Nets nor NJ need one superstar. They each need a roster with several seasoned, high-performing leaders.

It's Time to Lead

by: Bill Orr

Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 10:22:20 AM EDT

As Democratic legislators search for leadership and solutions, below are key problems areas and possible solutions which have both micro and macro impact on our struggling economy.  There ARE things the legislature can do.

According to Realty Trak, NJ new foreclosure filings were a high 7,993 in May and 30,555 YTD.  Foreclosure sales were a low 214 in May and only 3,365 YTD. Tax incentives to help people purchase homes and increase the sale of new and foreclosed properties helps individuals, neighborhoods, and the state. The legislature has just passed such a measure, but the governor is considering vetoing it - penny wise but pound foolish.  The legislature should pressure the governor. This is a great example of the legislature displaying leadership. Another proposal to reduce foreclosures is needed.

According to the U.S. Department of Labor NJ unemployment has hovered around 448,000 since the beginning of the year (9.8% seasonally adjusted.) Pre-recession in May 2007 unemployment was 186,000 (4.2%.) The legislature should insist on not reducing or delaying unemployment benefits.  Given the high cost of unemployment to the state and the resulting pain inflicted on the individuals, the legislature should seek creative ways to keep both government and non-government workers in their jobs, even if its temporarily without a salary increase, includes furloughs or offers reduced benefenits - not a popular move but better than the alternative.

Our highest category of unemployment is in construction, which includes roads, bridges, and other infrastructure, which since the beginning of the year has averaged about 127,000 NJ workers (13% unemployment.)  With our transportation fund expected by next year to have only sufficient monies to pay back existing debt, not only can we look forward to infrastructure deterioration but an increase in unemployment. Without waiting for the governor, our legislature should work quickly to propose a reasonable, fair way to raise needed monies for the transportation fund.

Housing and unemployment are the big drivers of our current malaise and have ripple effects throughout our state. It appears we may have another two years of economic doldrums. Our legislature can sit back and let the governor cut, cut, and cut which leads to stagnation (or worse), or the legislature can come up with proposals of its own. They have already done so in one case with their home tax incentive, let's hope they come up with other creative solutions. It's time to lead.

What Are New Jersey's Priorities?

by: phiwings

Tue Apr 20, 2010 at 04:47:14 PM EDT

I guess according to the Governor public education is no longer a priority for the state.  He has slashed over $1 Billion in state aid to districts since taking office in January.  He has shifted the burden of funding those districts from the state to the people, and he has done it while allowing the top 1% of all wage earners in the state keep more of their money.  Mass transit is no longer a priority either, which would be great except that New Jersey is the most densely populated state in the nation.  The cuts in mass transit are about to unleash a world of hurt on people who commute by bus, train, or car.

NEW JERSEY LEGISLATURE, UPSIDE DOWN AND INSIDE OUT!!!

by: IndependentNJ

Sun Mar 28, 2010 at 05:27:36 PM EDT

For one thing, New Jersey is the only state in the union in which assemblypersons and senators represent the same number of constituents. I find it a bit disheartening that there are 40 districts, and each district has 1 senator and two assemblypeople representing the same number of people. For one thing, it only gives larger constituencies in each district a voice.

This is why I propose splitting each legislative district into A and B and having one assemblyperson for each. For example, the 14th District as is will have one senator, and Assembly District 14A will consist of one assembly person representing Hamilton and West Windsor while Assembly District 14B will consist of one assemblyperson representing Plainsboro, Cranbury, South Brunswick, Monroe, and Jamesburg. This way, smaller constituencies within a district have more of a chance of being represented (especially true for ethnic minorities, who tend to be extremely scattered throughout the state).

Another major issue is that in the state legislature, a bill is voted on in the Senate first. This extremely baffles me to no end, is this some kind of statement that public policy in New Jersey is top down. Since senators sometimes serve longer terms (2-4-4), have larger constituencies, and a smaller membership, they are not as close as the assembly is to the constituency, and thus, legislation tends to be top down in New Jersey's setup.

I think these two ideas as a package would be great for politics in the state. It would create smaller targetted constitencies and public policy could be more easily influenced by the grassroots.

The cracked of each district into A and B assembly districts would actually be good for progressives. The only exception would be District 1, in which it would be likely that 1 district would contain Cape May County and Somers Point and 1 district would contain Vineland, Millville, Maurice River, Buena, and Buena Vista, which means it would be 1 conservative district and 1 progressive district.

However, progressives could benefit everywhere else, especially in the following districts:

District 2 - If Atlantic City and Pleasantville are included together in one of the A or B districts, we would have 1 strong D district and 1 swing district.

District 8 - One assembly district could contain Evesham, Mount Laurel, Moorestown, and Hainesport. The latter two are boomtowns which are trending Democratic. However, the other assembly district would be hopelessly Republican

District 11 - One such idea would be to create one district that includes Asbury Park, Long Branch, as well as the swingier West Long Branch and Eatontown (remember, Pallone wins in this area), and leave the southern Monmouth shore teabaggers in the other.

District 12 - Could very well include 1 district with Democratic East Windsor and Hightstown, swingier Marlboro, Manalapan, and Eatontown, and heavily Republican but small Millstone. Could be a split LD!!!

District 13 - Could be a split LD, with one Democratic assembly district (dominated by Old Bridge) and one Republican assembly district (dominated by Middletown)

District 16 - The southern part of the LD could be a Democrat AD, if Somerville, Hillsborough, and Montgomery (all of which went for Obama) are included. However, the northern part is too wealthy for its own good and would be a safe AD for the GOP

District 21 - The eastern part of the legislative district, centred around Union County, could definitely hold a Democratic AD (many of the towns are wealthier, but have gone D in the past)

District 39 - The eastern part of the district, closer to the GWB has a lot of areas which can potentially go D, as has happened in the past and could be a good Democrat AD. The western and north central part, however, would still be an R AD.

All in all, this could result in a net gain of 7 seats for the Democrats.

E. O. #15: "On the Fly"

by: Bill Orr

Wed Feb 24, 2010 at 11:02:19 AM EST

The New Jersey Governor, particularly through authority granted in the constitution, is probably America's most powerful governor. All the more reason we should beware of granting the Executive Office even more power. In Governor Christie's Executive Order #15, designed to curb excesses of State Boards, Commissions, authorities, and agencies, he decrees:  

"No State Authority shall hire, enter into or renew any contract with any lobbyist or legislative agent, unless expressly authorized in writing in advance by the Governor's Office." Apparently, lobbying per se is not wrong, but can only be conducted when the Governor-General likes it.

"No State Authority shall approve any travel by any employee or Authority Board member in excess of two-hundred and fifty dollars ($250.00) paid out of Authority funds unless approval is obtained from the Governor's Office prior to such travel." While excessive travel expenses have been frequently incurred, this decree represents an absurd level of micromanagement power inappropriate for the Executive Office. With $250 one can barely, if that, cover the expense of a roundtrip Metroliner ticket to DC. How much time and effort of his staffers will be needed to handle such requests?

"No State Authority shall include any financial incentive relating to termination or separation from employment in employment contracts with its employees, unless expressly authorized in writing by the Governor's Office." Once again, the Governor indicates he does not necessarily oppose employment separation agreements, just those that he does not like.

The Governor-General is to be commended for tackling the multiple problems with these authorities. However, micromanagement and implying that certain actions might be egregious but are still reserved for the governor smack of power-grabbing and insufficient forethought. He needs to involve the legislature where Senator Loretta Weinberg, for example,  has already displayed leadership and success on this issue.  Or are we witnessing another another example of  "We are doing this on the fly."      

The religion thing

by: Rosi Efthim

Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 04:52:02 PM EST

The question I asked, given all that whittling down, was why then do politicians bow so low to Catholic concerns? I got some answers which are worth reading. But none of them satisfy me.

During the last few months I was part of a large lobbying team that talked with legislators about marriage equality. It was fun, and they asked great questions. In two meetings - one of them with Steve Sweeney - organized pressure from the Catholic church and of course its local members was a factor for them.

I get it. I understand and respect a religiously observant person's view of things, and understand why that would lead to, example, personal choices that would exclude say, same-sex marriage, or abortion. This extends far less to elected persons, since they're in office for reasons other than furthering their own religion's viewpoint.

What I do not understand is why religiously observant people would say to themselves that because they don't believe in something, they should determine what somebody else is entitled to do with their life. The chutzpah of that boggles my mind.

I practice no religion. I'm atheist on my mother's side and on my father's side Albanian Orthodox, but that was because all the Albanians gathered in the church and my Dad wanted me to know them - good call. And I find that as much as religious people expect the rest of us to respect and give considerable room to their traditions and beliefs, that largesse is never returned.

So yes, it matters to me that the Diocese is shrinking. As it matters, as Thurman says, that so many people counted as Catholic adhere less than the Church would want. The broad support from clergy in many faiths, including Catholic, for marriage equality, also matters.

When the Catholic Church's reach is deeper into the legislature than it is into the community, there's something wrong.

I need your help with New Year's resolutions

by: Deborah Jacobs, ACLU-NJ Executive Director

Wed Jan 06, 2010 at 10:48:43 AM EST

Let freedom ring in the New Year.

Like many of you, the ACLU-NJ has a list of resolutions for 2010. However, unlike most New Jerseyans - but keeping in good company with Blue Jersey's politicos - we only have about a week to see results. Here's our list, and we need help to keep it.

1. To save money (while making government records more accessible). We're working to pass a bill that would bring the government's fees to copy public records in line with what it actually costs to copy them. Cities have charged as much as $10 for the first three pages - far higher than what you'll find at your local copy shop. It protects our democracy, and it makes cents. Read ACLU-NJ Open Government Attorney Bobby Conner's op-ed in The Star-Ledgeron lowering the cost of copies.

2. To treat people fairly. The ACLU-NJ is fighting to make sure all families in New Jersey are equal by giving same-sex couples their right to marry. Read ACLU-NJ Legal Director Ed Barocas' piece in The Philadelphia Inquirer about marriage.

3. To help people when they need it most. Our criminal justice system doesn't do much to stop crime or mete out justice. A package of bills offers reforms proven to help people avoid resorting to crime once they re-enter the real world. The bills offer food stamps to former prisoners, remove barriers to finding work, help prisoners get their GED and, perhaps most important, end huge fees families must pay to collect calls from their loved ones. Read my op-ed in The Record about redemption through intelligent criminal justice reforms.

If you help us keep our resolutions by calling your legislators TODAY, we'll help you keep yours. (As far as we're concerned, exercising your right to free speech absolutely counts as exercise.) So get active (on the issues) and call your legislators to suggest some resolutions, before the clock on opportunity strikes midnight.

Happy New Year,

Deborah

p.s. If you need to look up your legislators, enter your address here, and then find your officials' information.

Breaking: Oliver elected Speaker, Cryan Majority Leader

by: vincent solomeno

Mon Nov 23, 2009 at 01:15:36 PM EST

Assemblyman Joe Cryan (D-Union) has been elected Majority Leader.  He replaces Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson-Coleman (D-Mercer).

On the heels of Republican Chris Christie's gubernatorial win, the coming session marks the first time an incoming New Jersey governor faces an opposite party controlled legislature since 1982.

Blame the Legislature

by: njnewsgrrl

Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 08:41:11 AM EDT

I have a very dear friend who has been a state government employee for nearly 25 years. We had dinner last night to catch up, and she told me that, in addition to battles with her ex over child support and child care, her salary has been frozen for three years and she can't make ends meet. The furloughs make the situation even worse.

(Side note: A federal judge ruled yesterday that furloughs in Prince George's County, Maryland, violate the U.S. Constitution. Keep an eye out for a ripple effect here in Jersey - you know the CWA will be all over it.)

And then came the kicker. My friend told me that, while civil servants are suffering financial repercussions from furloughs, wage freezes and hiring freezes (which means more work for less money), the Legislature approved a 15 percent salary increase for political appointees.

I don't know any more than that. But what I do know is that politicians loooove to badmouth state government employees because it's easy. Everyone has had a bad experience at the DMV or with jury duty. And the stereotypes about lazy government employees don't exist for nothing. But there are some people who are very good at what they do and who work very hard. And I'd tend to guess that the lazy bottom-feeders are the exception, not the rule.

But what never happens is finger-pointing in the other direction -- at themselves. Because that's where the real problem lies. The Legislature spends like drunken sailors with all of their Christmas tree projects to keep their donors and political benefactors happy. They give powerful lobbyists whatever they want. And, more than anything else, they will bend over backward to save their own jobs over doing the right thing, which generally means writing a big fat check.

On top of all of this, Chris Christie is promising to lay off state workers in order to balance the budget. Did he even for a minute consider cutting the salaries of political appointees or reducing the number of political appointees in each agency? You know, the same guys who he used to brag about indicting for not showing up to work? Of course not!

Christie's policies are so appalling that my aforementioned friend, who is a conservative Republican and worked in the governor's office in a Republican administration, will not vote for him. She knows the truth: The careless, self-interested fiscal habits and policies of the Legislature and of the Republican nominee for governor hurts good people who are simply trying to raise their children and do their jobs. And it has to stop.

This is going to be my last post for a while. My new job requires that I be strictly apolitical, so I have to give up blogging and Tweeting in about a week. Thanks everyone for the feedback and support!

Under the Dome: Senate and Assembly Committees

by: Jason Springer

Thu Feb 26, 2009 at 12:24:49 AM EST

The Assembly education committee will have a round table discussion about shared services regarding the executive superintendents created last year. The Assembly Human Services committee will hear testimony from New Jersey Anti-Hunger Coalition to discuss combating hunger and programs available to help feed families during these difficult economic conditions. The Assembly Military and Veterans' Affairs Committee will hear an update on the status of the State's Reserve and National Guard units serving overseas.

The Senate Environment Committee and the Assembly Environment and Solid Waste Committee will meet jointly to hear testimony on the proposed Committee Substitute for Senate Bill No. 1897 and Assembly Bill No. 2962.  This bill creates "licensed site professionals" to help with the remediation of the over 18,000 contaminated sites around the state.  It seems that the DEP, the Governor and the chairs of both committees are in favor of the legislation, but many changes have been made to deal with objections from the environmental community.

The Senate State Government Committee will discuss modernizing State functions and making the information produced by the State more accessible to the public which sounds encouraging, if not long overdue. The Senate Law and Public Safety committee will hear testimony about the impact of the current recession on New Jersey workers and businesses and the effectiveness of State, Federal and Local programs to assist workers and their families (including unemployment insurance (UI), job training and job placement programs). Senate Law and Public Safety and Veterans' Affairs committee will hear updates on homeland security and the NJ Data exchange initiative.

The Assembly Judiciary Committee will consider 10 bills sponsored by Assemblywoman Linda Greenstein and 13 other Assembly Democratic lawmakers that they say would give law enforcement enhanced abilities to crackdown on child Internet crimes. The measures, among other things, would upgrade penalties and crimes for offenders who communicate in a harassing, sexually offensive or abusive manner with minors on Web sites and through electronic communication.  The Assembly State Government Committee will hear a bill that requires state departments to prepare a cost analysis when hiring private entities for work typically performed by state workers.  According to the sponsors, no contract or agreement that decreases the amount of work assigned to state employees could be entered into unless the analysis found the contract would bring substantial savings to the state.  The State Government committee will also hear legislation requiring the state to generate compensation guidelines for county and municipal government positions.  In addition, they'll consider a bill to make a new housing assistance and recovery program effective immediately.  The Assembly Education Committee will consider a bill that revises the criminal history record check process undergone by public and nonpublic school employees and bus drivers. In the Assembly Transportation Committee, we're talking license plates.  First they'll hear a bill to create a decal system to create specialized license plates, then they'll discuss the creation of 22 new special license plates.

The Senate Budget committee will consider a moratorium on the 2.5% developers fee for affordable housing. The state would have to refund all monies collected from the fee since July. The Senate State Government committee will take up the Transparency in Government  Act which provides for establishment of State public finance website.   Another bill     requires the State Treasurer to organize and publish certain contract and grant data and information on State expenditure Internet website.  

The full list of bills and committees is below the fold and as always, you can follow along live through the Legislature's website if you can't be in Trenton.

Trenton Preview: Monday January 26, 2009

by: Jason Springer

Mon Jan 26, 2009 at 12:04:12 AM EST

Senate Quorum	12:00 PM
Senate Community & Urban Affairs	10:00 AM
Senate Education	10:00 AM
Senate Judiciary	10:00 AM
Senate Health, Human Services & Senior Citizens	01:00 PM
Senate Labor	01:00 PM
Senate Law and Public Safety & Veterans' Affairs	01:00 PM
Senate Economic Growth	02:00 PM

The Labor committee has a bill concerning court actions against uninsured employers for non-payment of workers' compensation along with the Jobs, Trade and Democracy Act.  They will also consider legislation that would allow Casino Control Commission employees to drop their "confidential employee" designation and unionize. The Law, Public Safety and Veterans committee will hear legislation that would require the MVC to provide information concerning Selective Service registration requirements to persons obtaining or renewing drivers licenses and identification cards.  They will also discuss a bill to create a silver alert system to find missing elderly.

Follow me below the fold for the Assembly agenda, which has some big issues up for consideration.

NJ Lege gets a "C" grade

by: Thurman Hart

Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 09:01:27 PM EST

That's right.  Can the Jersey jokes.  We didn't fail.  It isn't like we're New Hampshire - sure they get the first primary, but that's the only thing they get done!

You can read the NJ excerpt or get the whole report.

The bad news is that this represents a lower grade than the B- we got back in 2005.  The main reason:

The consequences of the fiscal problem hit home everywhere in state government. Deferred maintenance in the transportation system has swelled to $13 billion. As one Department of Transportation official puts it, "we are holding ground on the pavement and we are losing on the bridges." Although New Jersey has the nation's third-lowest gas tax, a tax increase to bolster maintenance doesn't seem politically possible.

Even nuts-and-bolts problems seem impossible:

Non-transportation infrastructure is no better off. The state dedicated $7 million this year toward a prioritized list of roof improvements on public buildings; even so, life-cycle roof replacement is three or four years behind schedule.

Lean times are ahead, assuredly.  New Jersey deserves an A+ Legislature - and it isn't all about money to make it happen.  Come on, legislators, it's time to show us what "leadership" really means.

The NJ-39 Series: Bergen Record calls out Cardinale, GOP cohorts

by: Stephen Yellin

Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 10:16:54 AM EDT

"Rep. Scott Garrett, R-Wantage, hates poor people. Bogota Mayor Steve Lonegan hates immigrants. And state Sen. Gerry Cardinale, R-Demarest, loves bankers."

The NJ-39 Series: When it comes to ethics, Cardinale is "Gerry"-atric

by: Stephen Yellin

Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 09:56:56 AM EDT

The NJ-39 Series: Cardinale Caught Red-Handed on Ethics

by: Stephen Yellin

Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 12:38:10 PM EDT

Read on to see what I mean...

The NJ-39 Series: Cardinale = Silence for Public Meeting information

by: Stephen Yellin

Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 09:07:55 AM EDT

Read on if you want to know the dirty details?