I’ve never laughed as hard as I did when reading the diary “The Truth about Holloway’s Sand Hill Motives”. Of all the diaries/comments ever written regarding the Sand Hill Lawsuit, this one’s the most humorous. Whenever I tried to type a response I couldn’t, because I’d begin laughing hysterically.
What makes someone a member of a tribe when not raised with the tribe- I don’t know of one North American tribe where they don’t have tribal members scattered throughout the continent. Some Native American children are raised in non-indian homes by their non-indian parent and are exposed to their Native American heritage when visiting with their Native Parent and tribal family members. If Ron Holloway is not a Sand Hill because his mother was a Jewish (religion) woman, and even though he was taught the ancestral traditions, culture and history of the Sand Hill by his kitchuwah father (who was raised by a very traditional Sand Hill mother) and other family members, then Pontiton has a problem.
The Ramapoughs are 99% Christian and very, very inter-racial. They don’t know how to speak Lenape; don’t know their ancestral religion, traditions. Therefore based upon Pontiton’s thinking- they can’t possibly be Ramapough, because 99% are Christian, raised with no traditions, language, or native religion, most of the organizations’ members are raised away from Stag Hill-so therefore they can’t be members of the 5013c organization because most of them don’t live on the mountain- OMG they even have people claiming to be Ramapough living in Texas (& other states) away from the tribe. Then, according to Pontiton’s thinking, one must conclude that there are no Ramapough and therefore who is this person claiming to be Ramapough and what planet has Pontiton come from? Oh, Pontiton, I guess that makes you Irish!
Regarding the comment about Federal recognition; supervised vs. unsupervised; and whether that means the Federal Government recognizes the tribe as a sovereign Nation or not. Being unsupervised means that the tribe does not receive Federal benefits and DOES NOT appear on the BIA list of recognized Tribes receiving benefits- because that’s what that list really means. It doesn’t mean that those tribes who aren’t on the list are not recognized by the U.S. Government as sovereign- but rather they are not on the list because they are not receiving funds. Recognition is established by a working relationship with the Federal Government and because the Sand Hill Tribe that Hollway belongs to works with the Federal Government on numerous task forces (Dept. of Interior, Home Land security, Dept. of Energy, Veterans Administration) on an ongoing, continuous basis and that the NJ Sand Hill Band of Lenape and Cherokee Indians are consulted and worked with– Therefore they are a recognized Tribe by the Federal government because they work Government to Government. If Pontiton is saying that the Federal Government has no idea who they are dealing with, that all these departments never looked into the Tribe’s background, and that these Sand Hills are Frauds- then again-I must ask- what planet does he/she come from?
Therefore if Pontiton really understood the subtleties of Tribal recognition with the Federal Government he/she would realize how ludicrous his/her comments were.
Regarding Medicine Crow. In all the time that I have known Medicine Crow he has never stated and/or represented himself as a Shaman – He has represented himself as a Raiki Master- Raiki Master is not a Shaman. It has nothing to do with Shamanism. Obviously Pontiton doesn’t understand the difference.
However, talking about Shaman’s – Heard a rumor that the Chief of the Ramapoughs considers himself a Shaman- knowing the Ramapoughs – who taught him?
Addressing Sam Beeler and the web sites that were mentioned- one is a blog and subject to anyone’s input; the other is “www. Cherokee Nation.com” which is a news/blog site and immediately lists the following disclaimer (second thru fourth sentences are very interesting, as well as the last two sentences)-
“The Cherokee Nation maintains this server to enhance public access to Cherokee Nation information. Cherokee Nation provides no warranty, expressed or implied, as to the accuracy, reliability or completeness of furnished data.
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Reminds me of Wikipedia- anyone can input information at any time and the information on Wikipedia is questionable as to the accuracy because people are constantly rewriting information. Wikipedia can actually state that the holocaust never happened- it’s just a matter of rewriting history and anyone can do it. It has been done so many times regarding the Native American History in New Jersey that only the Federal Government and a few others know who is who because some knuckleheads are trying to rewrite the State’s history.
Reality check- If anyone calls/writes the Federally recognized Cherokee tribes and asks if they know so and so- the response will be “no, we are not familiar with that name, etc.”. Unless a person speaks with a member of the Tribal Council and/or Council of Elders, (you must actually know a member of the either council to be able to do so), no one will be given any information as to whether or not the Cherokee Federal Tribes know of another person or tribe. The answer will always be” no” because the Cherokee at the other end has no idea who the hell the person is that they are talking/writing to and will not get involved in something that could lead them into a lawsuit.
Obviously Pontiton doesn’t understand how the Federal tribes react and/or work when dealing with people inquiring over the phone/letter about people and/or tribes. Also, the answers that Pontiton is referring to that are all over the internet allegedly appear to be written by members of the Ramapough & Nanticoke organizations and/or people affiliated with them.
However, what Pontiton fails to mention is the fact that Ronald Holloway and Chief Beeler’s genealogy has already been posted and is beyond reproach. More than 50% of Sand Hill tribal members are Reevey, Richardson, and their Chief Justice/lead Council, Arleen Richards, is Chief Crummel’s great grand-daughter and her mother is his grand-daughter. Not to mention all the other cousins, sister and family members- surely the entire tribe can’t be wrong as to who they are? Also DNA tied to the oldest skeletal remains ever found in NJ also carries considerable weight in a court of law. Pontiton forgets to mention for the reader’s benefit that Holloway and Beeler’s DNA match the DNA of the skeleton- making them the descendants of the original indigenous people living in NJ more than 1500-1800 years ago. Also Pontiton (or advisors) failed to inform readers that the Reevys, Richards, Holloways and Crummels are all inter-related.
Oh my goodness- for shame Pontiton- that he/she forgot that piece of information. Or, obviously he/she doesn’t know Sand Hill genealogy or their history.
Which brings us to the illustrious Indian Commission. That was where Claire Garland stated that she never knew Sam Beeler (along with a whole host of other Ramapough/Nanticoke) and said that it wasn’t she who was standing next to Sam Beeler in a well published picture. So who was she standing next to- Michael Jackson? (http://flic.kr/p/5nALrq)
That was also where those who Beeler had helped to obtain their 5013c status said they didn’t know him and that he was never a Chief.
Chief Sam Beeler was hired by the UN to be an “ambassador” to identify all the indigenous peoples by traveling world wide- And to think- If one were to believe what Pontiton wrote-all Chief Beeler had to do was just say that he was Chief of the Sand Hills and ‘lo and behold’ he was hired by the UN! That Beeler didn’t have to present any documentation or anything to prove who he was. Nope- the UN just took him at his word- If Pontiton really thinks people will buy the above explanation and that Beeler is a fraud- I ask again- what planet is this person from?
So it appears that Pontiton (or whatever his/her real name is) never answered his/her own statement “The truth about Holloway’s Sand Hill Motives” and I now have a question to ask- Who do you think is going to get the blame for all the problems that caused the lawsuit and the subsequent bill that the taxpayers are going to have to pay? It isn’t going to be the NJ Sand Hill Band of Lenape & Cherokee Indians, nor former Gov. Corzine, Wells, Milgram, or Gov. Christie? Who do you think will be thrown under the bus?
Pontiton please keep writing- Everyone loves the “foot in mouth” disease. I need a good laugh and so do others.
Oh – you would think with all the writers helping Pontiton, they’d get something correct- However they didn’t – so once again for clarification– I am not the Sand Hills lawyer, Chief Crummel’s great granddaughter is- please get your facts straight!!!