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Andrews Talks Foreign Policy

by: Juan Melli

Thu May 17, 2007 at 10:08:38 PM EDT



A few days ago I learned that Congressman Rob Andrews had introduced legislation to block funds authorized for Iraq and Afghanistan from being used for planning an attack on Iran. This more cautious approach to foreign policy struck me as quite a contrast from five years ago when Andrews was leading the charge for invading Iraq.


I wanted to understand the logic behind this progression, and this evening I had the chance to talk to the Congressman and ask him about it directly. The very first thing Andrews pointed out was that he had in fact learned lessons from the way we went to war with Iraq. He stressed that the Congress failed -- and he failed -- to scrutinize the evidence before making such a critical decision. In his case, he acknowledged that he believed and repeated the administration's claims of Iraq possessing chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. It was clear to me that he is very aware of what a mistake was made with Iraq. His proposed legislation was a deliberate attempt to not repeat the mistakes of the past -- to ensure a more careful, reasoned analysis.


Returning to the discussion of the Iraq invasion, he expressed disappointment in the inadequate planning for a post-Saddam Iraq. Before the invasion, Iraq had the potential capacity to produce chemical and biological weapons and was ruled by a strong authoritarian dictator. With a civil war raging, the potential for producing such weapons still exists thanks to the billions in oil revenue, but large swaths of Iraq are now under the control of tribal leaders who are not responsive to the weak central government. Any one of them could potentially decide to produce and distribute weapons to our enemies. We've made Iraq into a much more dangerous threat than it used to be due to a lack of planning.


In hindsight, despite knowing that Iraq did not possess chemical and biological weapons, Congressman Andrews still believes that Iraq was a threat to the United States. I tried to understand what he thought distinguished Iraq from the multitude of other countries with similar capabilities who we do not choose to take out by military force. The distinction seemed subtle to me, but Andrews explained that it included the combination of the ability to produce chemical and biological weapons with the fact that Saddam had been uncooperative for so long. The difference between Iran and Iraq, he said, is that we are only now in the early stages of diplomacy with Iran, whereas we were much further along with Iraq.


Andrews now believes that it is time to turn over Iraq to the Iraqis and bring our troops home. Last month, he voted for legislation in the House that included a timetable for withdrawing troops by March, 2008. It passed 218-202, but was later vetoed by the President. I'm still skeptical that the war can be brought to an end before Bush leaves office, but he's much more optimistic. Andrews believes that after Labor Day, there will be a veto-proof majority in favor of legislation like the one the House passed last month. He noted that what Republicans are saying at the podium in front of the cameras is different from what they're saying in the halls to their colleagues. While only two Republicans voted for the legislation last time, he thinks up to 60 will eventually flip thanks to the relentless pressure and fear for their political careers.


I'm glad I got this chance to dig deeper into Congressman Andrews' thought process and rationale. I was impressed that he acknowledged the mistakes made in the past and is taking steps to prevent repeating them. I don't agree with the way he arrived at his conclusion that despite the lack of WMD, Iraq posed a threat to us, but I guess that's what puts him on the more hawkish end of the spectrum -- the more cautious and slightly less trigger-happy hawkish end.

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A New Dichotomy (0.00 / 0)
I see what you're saying about Rep. Andrews being at  "the more cautious and slightly less trigger-happy hawkish end" than many of us here, but I think we're dealing with a dichotomy that is no longer about hawk v. dove.

The Iraq War, specifically the Bush administration's handling of it, has really blown that out of the water. The question that must be asked today is not "are you a hawk or a dove," but rather, "are you willing to use the full force of the US military to pursue an ideological agenda?" Because that is what the Bush administration did with their Iraq policy.

You don't need to be a dove to recognize that this is madness. I'm extremely happy to see someone like Andrews, who originally supported the Iraq War, stand up, call it for what it is, and use his power in Congress to put a check on the President's power. Now let's see if any Republicans have the guts to do the same.


Re: A New Dichotomy (0.00 / 0)
My general impression is that Andrews is upset with the way we got into the war - ie, the poor or manipulated intelligence on WMD plus the lack of post-Saddam planning. In his opinion, this probably would still have been justified, but he regrets that it was done with the WMD claim. He explained what he thinks is a valid justification. That's exactly what I wanted to learn from my talk with him because I consider it important in terms of any future possible military actions the country might take.

Andrews and Bush arrived at the same conclusion regarding Iraq but I think they got there in very different ways. I don't think he would use the military to pursue an ideological agenda, but that's a different standard. On the scale of rational decision-making (Bush fits nowhere on such a scale), he's on the hawkish end because he seems to set, in my opinion, a low bar as to what constitutes a threat we should act on. I think that's still an important metric to understand.


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we'll see (0.00 / 0)
If Andrews ends up being  right about that veto-proof majority, then i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. 

but for now it's a tough pill swallowing any politician's inability to admit they screwed the pooch on Iraq.  it's almost like they are constitutionally incapable of admitting they might be wrong.  Citing the flawed intelligence for a bad chioce doesn't make the decision any less "flawed."

It's frustrating when smart people cling to flawed logic. personally, i'd rather have peace than be right.  So if Congress -- with Andrews leadership --  can deliver a veto-proof bill to finally put the brakes on George Bush, i'd probably be in a more pragmatic mood.

activist for hire.


Just to play devil's advocate... (0.00 / 0)
In today's climate, does anyone agree that circumstances are possible where a pre-emtive strike on Iran was warranted?
I myself cannot see those short of Iran launching missiles at Israel. I think we have squander any credibility we may had for pre-emptive interventions.
I personally believe than the US will look the other way while Israel strikes Iran's nuclear facilities to limit their nuclear weapons development. I'm not sure if I agree with policy or not.
Thoughts anyone?


"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

Andrews only needed 8 more votes! Rothman was the only NJ Dem voting against (0.00 / 0)
It failed 202-216 with 19 members not voting.  If 8 members that voted no, voted yes instead, it would have passed (assuming the 19 members not voting didn't change).

Rothman is the only Dem from NJ that voted against.


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