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Can a Catholic be Pro-Choice?

by: Thurman Hart

Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:04:58 PM EDT


Before anyone gets up in arms, I know the answer to the title question is a resounding "Yes!"  But I also know that John Kerry served his country faithfully and well in Vietnam.  The difference between what is true and what we will hear ad naseum through November is going to be an ever-increasing distance.

The Boston Globe's Michael Paulson is already trying to make a wedge for the McCain campaign to use.  He quotes Fidelis, a right-wing Catholic group, as saying:

Now everywhere Biden campaigns, we?ll have this question of whether a pro-abortion Catholic can receive Communion. Senator Biden is an unrepentant supporter of abortion in direct opposition to the Church he claims as his own. Selecting a pro-abortion Catholic is a slap in the face to Catholic voters.

Apparently, having Joe Biden serve as Senator of Delaware is no problem to the Catholics in that state.  Somehow, it becomes a problem only when he gets the Veep nod.  Why does Fidelis think so little of the Catholics in Delaware?

Thurman Hart :: Can a Catholic be Pro-Choice?
Catholics United, on the other hand, issued this statement:
?Senator Biden?s well-known commitment to his Catholic faith has inspired his advocacy on issues such as genocide, universal health care, education, workers? rights, and violence against women. His faith has helped him to find solace during times of tragedy and crisis. We are optimistic that Senator Biden?s history of seeking practical means of addressing abortion will help move our nation beyond the divisive, acrimonious, and unproductive debate that has come to surround the issue. Senator Biden accepts his church?s teachings on human life and can work to advance these teachings in ways that Americans of all political persuasions can support. Catholics United is especially hopeful that operatives on the far right will refrain from using Senator Biden?s faith and the teachings of the Catholic Church as political weapons in the coming campaign. Faith and values should be used to unite Americans behind solutions to the key challenges of this age ? war, poverty, lack of health care, and a looming climate crisis ? and not as partisan wedges to divide voters.?

I think they are wasting their breathe with that last bit.  See: Fidelis' statement.

This is where I point out that the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life has found that 52 percent of Americans want religion left out of their politics.  This is a swing from 51 percent wanting religion mixed with politics just four years ago.  The crosstabs show that it is pretty much even throughout the political spectrum, too.  51 percent of Republicans, 52 percent of Democrats, and 55 percent of Independents have had enough of "Thus Spake the Lord" pronouncements about political differences.

The fact is that Americans don't like extremists.  On the issue of abortion, which Fidelis is trying to demogogue, the same Pew poll shows that only 17% of Americans think abortion should always be legal but 15% think it never should.  That sort of defines the extreme positions, doesn't it?  If you look at only Catholics, those numbers change to only 16 and 21 percent.  

That 21 percent who want abortion totally illegal is roughly the same as those age 65 and over, people with a high school education or less, and Black Protestants.  The only two categories that are mutually exclusive there are Black Protestants and Catholics.  In other words, a lot of those who are being counted in the Catholic vote are already being counted as over 65 and/or having only a high school education or less.

There was a time, not long ago, when I would have completely gone off on Fidelis - like it would have mattered to them.  But here's the thing - I'm not Catholic and never have been.  My wife left the Catholic church over just such "my-way-or-the-pits-of-Hell" rhetoric.  And we found a warm and welcoming church that loves us as much as we love them.

Fidelis, for all their chest-thumping hatred for anyone not exactly like them, serve a purpose.  They provide a space for people who can't get past that short-sightedness to experience God.  Whether or not that is authentic is not my place to say.

It isn't their theology that I want to neutralize, even though I think it's inaccurate and misguided.  It's their political action.  Or rather, it's the selective attack in an effort to create a wedge.  You see, official Catholic doctrine states:

Christian Communities born out of the Reformation of the sixteenth century... do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of Orders, and are, therefore, deprived of a constitutive element of the Church. These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called "Churches" in the proper sense.

So if Fidelis is going to challenge Biden to be a "better Catholic" by adhering to official Catholic doctrine, then they should do the same and tell Americans that Obama - and everyone in America who isn't Catholic - really doesn't belong to a church at all.  That Communion that we all receive?  Fake.  If they are really going to call Catholics back to some form of electoral purity, that's the message they need to deliver.

Don't vote for McCain or Obama.  Both of them belong to false churches (though the power of Christ still uses these imperfect tools for salvation).  Biden, as a "bad Catholic" is still an improvement over these other two heretics.

How about it, Fidelis?  Do I hear a taker?

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Forgiving Faith (0.00 / 0)
There is a huge difference in the Faith between participating in an abortion and having a " viewpoint" that abortion is allowed in certian cases.

The Catholic faith does not throw people out based on a viewpoint, despite what some of their heirarchy might promote. The Faith also states that asking for and receiving forgiveness is a core belief. Catholics who have abortions are not excommunicated.

The idea of withholding Communion is nothing more than a political statement by a Bishop.

Biden , from all accounts is a devout Catholic and has been his whole life. Some conservative, politically based Bishop might try to make an issue of his viewpoints but that Bishop better remember that Jesus Christ himself had quite a few viewpoints that were not mainstream or politically correct.

Plus I think he may have been a Union Carpenter and we all know that Biden is a strong Union supporter !  


Pro Life (4.00 / 1)
I think all of us here at Blue Jersey are Pro Life in the sense that we want every child born to be healthy, to not grow up in poverty or abuse and to live in a sane and safe world.  Alas, that is not to be.  But it is a goal we all should be working toward, directly or indirectly.

I also think that we all would like to see fewer abortions being performed.  But we part ways with the likes of Jim Wallis on the ways that can be accomplished.

I consider myself Pro Choice.  
That does not mean pro abortion.  It means that a woman should have the unfettered right to choose whether to bring a pregnancy to term or to terminate it.  And there are often  a lot of difficult decisions to be made in between, as Thurman has pointed out in his blog.

firstamen07, you have to be clear with regard to what "participating" in an abortion means.  Does dispesing contrceptives (some of which may soon be considered aborifacients) constitute participation?  Does performing an abortion?  Does informing a woman of the morning after pill?  Does even scheduling a woman for an abortion constitute participation?

Pardon me, but the aforementioned acitivities are performed by professionals and professionls should be doing their jobs.  If it is morally offensive to participate in any of these ways, then they shold leave the profession or move very far away from that aspect of it that is offensive.

I do not wish to tread on you beliefs as a Catholic.  I find, however, the Church's doctrines to be fairly rigid.  Life begins at conception, and any distruction of that life is a sin.

I also find it quite hypocritical for a woman who has made an informed decision to have an abortion to ask forgiveness for doing so.

Its like the "love the sinner," but "hate the sin,"  that the Church says when it treats gay men with HIV/AIDS.  Does a gay man have to ask for forgiveness for being gay in order to be saved?

Please don't misunderstand me.  The Church does some great social work.  Dorothy Day is one of my heroines.

So, Biden can be personally against abortion, yet uphold the law in his position as Senator or VP.


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I believe that abortion is a morally superior choice in many cases.  But I believe it is only a moral choice so long as choice is involved.  I have enough problems with my own soul that I'm willing to let other people worry about theirs.  Let God worry about such things.

As far as committing a sin and then asking for forgiveness is concerned - what sin is committed in ignorance?  We all know right and wrong but choose wrong from time to time.  That's why it is "forgiveness".

The point, anyway, isn't theological, but political.  Fidelis wants to take one part of Catholic doctrine and blow it up as if it proves their supperiority.  Yet, in the process, they overlook an even more important part of Catholic doctrine.  From a theological standpoint, I believe all are capable of struggling with doctrine and coming to their own understanding.  From a public standpoint, I think we should hold those who cast the first stone to the words of their own commitments.

Will commit political science for food.


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I'm not sure (0.00 / 0)
I understand your last comment, but I will ponder it.

Glad that you changed the header of this diary.  Could have been confusing.


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I simply mean (0.00 / 0)
that Fidelis says they are holding Catholics to Catholic doctrine - so they should be held to the same standard as they set for others.

Will commit political science for food.

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It's All About Free Will... (0.00 / 0)
As a Catholic, I can understand the church doctrine that abortion can be/is sinful in that ends life; however as a human being I also understand that this doctrine is man made and rife with its own imperfections.   The doctrine has changed throughout the centuries and I don't buy into the notion  of "papal infallibility".

Ultimately, this should be a matter of conscience, not of law.

I refuse to live in a nation in which the theological dictates of any sect become the "law of the land"....and that's exactly what the "pro-lifers" are after: a theocracy.

My own sense is that the vast majority of abortions would be avoided/prevented if we lived in a sane and just society.   This isn't something that is done on a whim.

The Bush policies actually have resulted in more abortions than we had under Clinton...this is the problem with taking away people's free will....you end up making all manner of things worse.

A great example of the total insanity of religion gone mad was/is the Inquisition....and I sense that the same kind of "mentality" is at work with the so called "pro-lifers".

Many of them are vicious fanatics on ego/power trips.  I sense little or no genuine love or compassion at the core of that movement, just anger and perverse/ugly notions about sexuality being dirty.

I don't believe Jesus Christ would want to jail women for making this choice......ultimately, again, it's all a matter of Conscience.   I'm content to allow any final Judgment to be in the hands of the Lord, not Clarence Thomas.

However, if McCain steals this election and he gets a couple more Antonin Scalias on the SCOTUS...all bets are off and it's middle ages here we come.

All the more reason to do all we can to elect Obama in a landslide they can't steal.


What I find curious (0.00 / 0)
is that those supposedly true blue Catholics who tolerate no deviation from official church teachings regarding abortion are notably silent on that other pro-life issue, capital punishment. When was the last time you heard of a bishop or anyone else suggesting communion be withheld from any Catholic politician (and I'll be there are many) who public endorses the death penalty, which is also against Church teaching.

And Paulson decries Biden's "selectivity."


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