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Paper Trail Delayed Again

by: agr

Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 07:33:04 PM EST



We've talked here before about our lack of paper trail with our voting machines. It's being delayed again..
Legislation that the Assembly State Government Committee advanced on Thursday would scrap a Jan. 1 deadline to have all the machines fitted with printers.

So it seems that they're talking about possibly just trying it out in one municipality in June, with a cost of $1 million for the pilot project, and $26 million to retrofit all of the machines in the state, but that's not quite true

Well, when you actually look at the bill, it is 1 (small) municipality in each county.:

The pilot program shall be conducted at the primary election to be held on June 2, 2009.  It shall consist of retrofitted voting machines in one municipality in each county that: 1) has no more than ten election districts; and 2) will be using voting machines in the election that the Secretary of State has certified can be adapted to include a voter-verified paper record system.

And how will they be determining whether the results are satisfactory? You'd think that with each county having no more than 10 voting districts (within a single municipality), for a PRIMARY where turnout is likely to be <30% (OK, that's a guess, and will be different in different towns) a basic thing to do would be to count all of those votes manually, and compare the results to the each of the machine counts. But what does the bill actually propose?

The report shall include information from surveys.

They'll be asking election board workers and voters  if they liked it. It's probably a good idea to ask for feedback from people that use the system, but isn't it more important to test whether the recount would be accurate?

If the Secretary of State likes the results, we'll have these printers by the Nov 2010 election. If not, I guess it's back to the drawing board.

If the entire state would cost $26 million, how could it cost $1 million for only one municipality?

Now there are others that want to switch to an optical scan system. I wonder what that would cost? Would it be more or less than the proposed $26 million? The group New Yorkers for Verified Voting estimated in 2005 $10660 per district, and $114,423,640 for the entire state. Connecticut estimated in December 2006 that replacing all of their machines with optical scan machines would cost a total of $15.7 million.

Does anyone know how many voting districts there are in NJ vs. NY or CT? It seems like this might not only be the more verifiable way to go, but it also might be cheaper.

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Sequoia Advantage with 30 yr old processor (0.00 / 0)
w/VVPB printer, 10 grand
Optical scan with mark sense, 5 grand

Knowing an opscanner can process 100+ votes per hour... priceless.

The Printer for the Sequoia Advantage is ready, I have seen it, I have videoed it, there is simply no excuse.

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There are over 6,000 election districts (0.00 / 0)
but many districts have more than one machine.  But, I don't know if many places see more than 100 voters in any one hour even in presidential years.  So, if the $5K estimate is correct, then it would cost around $30 M to put an optical scan machine in each election district.

This is frustrating (4.00 / 1)
thanks for posting on this issue.  You wonder if the state doesn't want to admit that they screwed up moving forward in '05 with this system and are now just buying some time w/ the pilot program.

The thing that annoyed me about this delay was that Quigley said she tested the printers in August and found they were not satisfactory.   Yet no bill was introduced until the day it went to committee last week and was passed out.  I tried to find text of the bill AFTER it had been passed out of committee that night and it still was not available.  


Lobby money (0.00 / 0)
I'm sure someone with the resources could make a connection between State & county officials and Sequoia.

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NJ should not blaze this paper trail (4.00 / 1)
Sequoia DRE Machines with printers would be more expensive because:
With Op Scan/ Paper Ballot System you could use one machine per precinct so we would need fewer machines.
Fewer machines so less money to store them in climate controlled splendor as we do now for the 1980 vintage Sequoia DRE machines.
Fewer machines so less money to truck them from warehouse to precinct.
Fewer machines so less money to program and maintain the more up-to-date machines.(what are the maintenance costs comparison?  Shouldn't our public servants look into this and make a report?)
Also Adding on one  machine to another is likely to become one machine with frequent break downs.
Also the add-on-printer is complicated and hard to use for Voters (I have used it in a demonstration in 2007).   And it will be a nightmare for the poll workers.

Common sense anyone? Why should NJ blaze this paper trail?? Let's use tested OP Scan/Paper Ballots that have been used in Minnesota, Connecticut, Florida, North Carolina and many other states.


thanks for the update (0.00 / 0)
Certainly this transition has been bungled.


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