Live Open Thread -- Last Presidential Debate of 2008

what will the moderator do (0.00 / 0)

Many blogs seem to be predicting that he will raise Ayres, Wright, etc.  I hope not.

 

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 00:50:20 AM UTC

LET'S GET READY TO RRRUUUUMMMMBBBLLLLEEEEE! (0.00 / 0)

:-)

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:00:33 AM UTC

Nancy Reagan ... (0.00 / 0)

What a tool.  In the first debate McCain talks about Ted Kennedy, now Nancy Reagan.

They're not running or really part of this race.  Leave them alone and stand on their own.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:04:34 AM UTC

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i am nervous (0.00 / 0)

and have to decide between Debate, Project runway finale AND the phillies....

what would you do?

activist for hire.

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by: Jay Lassiter @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:03:26 AM UTC

the debate will be on again (0.00 / 0)

later tonight, so you could go with Project Runway, then switch to the Phillies for the end, then watch the debate.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:04:33 AM UTC

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GET TIVO! (0.00 / 0)

It's a dream machine.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:09:27 AM UTC

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why is your economic plan better than his? (0.00 / 0)

not bad to start with.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:03:42 AM UTC

Again he blames Freddie and Fannie (0.00 / 0)

He's proving again he doesn't understand.

Fannie and Freddie did not ORIGINATE any of these loans.  They bought them from the assholes who wrote bad loans.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:05:32 AM UTC

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Joe Wertzelberger (0.00 / 0)

Oh, goodness.  How folksy.

It's Obama's fault he didn't invest in a business!  

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:08:36 AM UTC

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It's an Obama Win (0.00 / 0)

The way this debate is shaping up they are both going to seem reasonable, which means Obama wins and nothing changes.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:10:19 AM UTC

Blink, blink, blink, blink (0.00 / 0)

Obama is blinking faster than I can type

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:12:05 AM UTC

Ah, hell (0.00 / 0)

I mean McCain is blinking

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:14:34 AM UTC

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man (0.00 / 0)

I was ready to say McCain is blinking even more, then I saw this.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:18:28 AM UTC

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McCain lies about taxes (0.00 / 0)

"The US businesses pay 38 percent, in Ireland they pay 11 percent"

In Ireland they don't have deductions.  After deductions, the US is way lower.

McCain is a liar.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:14:08 AM UTC

Blink, blink, blink, blink (0.00 / 0)

Holy cow.  This is the story of the debate, like his wandering around last time.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:17:33 AM UTC

McCain not answering question at all (0.00 / 0)

What the hell? He's already on his second answer.  It's like a robot whose programing broke in the old Star Trek.


Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:17:42 AM UTC

A billion dollars in defense spending (0.00 / 0)

Scheifer says how, and McCain doesn't talk about any saving in defense spending.

Ooooh, goes after Boeing.  

PORK BARRELL!  OVERHEAD PROJECTOR!!!

What a putz.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:19:27 AM UTC

seriously (0.00 / 0)

McCain seemed to squeeze about ten different things into a minute.  Only the fact that it was mostly lines from previous debates let e follow at all. Obviously I'm hostile to him, but I can't believe anyone was convinced.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:19:56 AM UTC

I am not President Bush (0.00 / 0)

Yeah, but all the people who work for you worked for President Bush

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:21:34 AM UTC

Even Fox News Disputes It (0.00 / 0)

Just stay on an even keel, and you win, Mr. Obama.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:23:50 AM UTC

mccain says this is tough campaign (4.00 / 1)

mccain says this has been a tough campaign, but if obama would only have a town hall meeting, then we wouldnt need this tenor in the campaign.  You mean they wouldn't be calling him a terrorist?

now he's going into John Lewis

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:27:00 AM UTC

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Again, McCain takes notes (0.00 / 0)

and Obama just sits there.

I've seen this nowhere else, but McCain needs to take notes to be sure he knows what's going on.

Obama has not taken one note in three debates.  He is able to keep all the ideas  in his head and work for them.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:26:43 AM UTC

McCain and Wallace (0.00 / 0)

What a load of shit.  Lewis never said anything about McCain and Palin being a part of George Wallace's time, he said that the McCain/Palin campaign was delving into the same hateful world as Wallace.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:28:06 AM UTC

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Mccain goes back to Lewis (0.00 / 0)

Obama refers to references at rallies and even mentions kill him.

Obama talks about Congressman Lewis's point and Lewis follow up statement saying he went to farm.

Then talks about how the American people want people to focus on the really big challenges.  Talks about his healthcare policy differences while McCain tries to interrupt.

McCain says he's proud of people who come to his rallies.  Always will have fringe people.  Refers to veterans that wear those hats and tries to say people who come are the most dedicated patriotic rallies.

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:34:26 AM UTC

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100% of your ads John (0.00 / 0)

Obama blew that line.  100% of the ads in the last few weeks were negative, not 100% of all ads by McPalin.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:29:27 AM UTC

JOHN MCCAIN IS LEFTHANDED! (4.00 / 1)

And his names means "Son of Cain"

What does this mean?

/snark

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:32:49 AM UTC

McCain is getting schooled (0.00 / 0)

and looks like an asshole interrupting Obama.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:33:55 AM UTC

He looks petty n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:34:59 AM UTC

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HE BROUGHT UP AYERS! (0.00 / 0)

An ACORN is destroying the fabric of America.

Goodness

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:36:38 AM UTC

Ayres and Acorn (4.00 / 1)

McCain goes there.  

Obama says Ayres has become centerpiece of McCain campaign.  Bill Ayres is professor of education in Chicago.  40 years ago, when Obama was 8 he engaged in dispicable acts.  He has roundly condemned.  10 years ago, they served on a school reform board that was funded by Anenberg, along w/ many other Republicans on the board.  Ayres is not involved in Obama campaign, has not been in campaign and wouldn't be involved in his White House.

Acorn had nothing to do with Obama campaign.  Only involvement he had w/ Acorn was implementing Motor voter law to help people register at DMV's w/ US Justice Deparmtent.

Obama says he associates w/ Warren Buffett and Paul Voelker on economy.

Joe Biden and Dick Lugar and Gen Jim Jones on war.

Those are the Dems and Republicans who have shaped his ideas and would be around him in the white house.

The fact that it has become such a important part of the campaign says more about the McCain campaign than it does Obama.

McCain goes back for more...

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:39:36 AM UTC

McCain blew it (0.00 / 0)

He's uncomfortable with the attack, and it's just not working.

TAXES!!!!!!

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:44:59 AM UTC

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that was extraordinarily boring (0.00 / 0)

even though it was nasty and had the candidtaes responding to each other.

Moderators should just avoid these attacks because it is just not worthwhile.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:41:52 AM UTC

Next Question: Why would the country be better off if your running mate became President? (4.00 / 1)

Obama goes first listing all the great things about Biden.  I can't wait to hear McCain's response.

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:42:09 AM UTC

Sarah Palin (0.00 / 0)

Reformer, role model to women.  Took on own party.  head of energy board, saw corruption and resigned.  gave money back to taxpayers.   faced down oil companies.   natural gas pipeline.   she is a reformer through and through.  time for breath of fresh air to sweep out old boy network (like mccain).  she understands special needs families. (except when she cuts funding).  He is proud of her.  She has united party and is so proud of her and her family.  Says husband is a tough guy (troopergate anyone)

Bob asks Obama about Palin.   Obama takes the high road saying nice things about her.   Obama points out Autism and special needs will require more funding for research and across the board spending freeze won't be able to do it.  He cites that as example of use of scalpel.

McCain on Biden.  Biden is qualified but has been wrong on many foreign policy decisions.  Cites vote against 1st gulf war and idea of Iraq as 3 countries.    McCain goes back to Obama needing to spend more.  Why can't we have transparency, reform, blah blah.  Obama has proposed lots of new spending and will raise your taxes.

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:46:31 AM UTC

Americans (0.00 / 0)

"Americans have gotten to know Sarah Palin ..."

and they don't like her, John.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:48:01 AM UTC

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I think McCain is reinforcing (4.00 / 2)

his image as a nasty old man.  He even attacks Biden.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:46:33 AM UTC

Agreed (0.00 / 0)

although the right wing might like.  Not really what he needs, but just sayin.

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:48:22 AM UTC

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This debate is boring (4.00 / 1)

McCain has accomplished nothing

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:51:22 AM UTC

Extreme Environmentalists = Safe Fuel (0.00 / 0)

dumbass

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:53:11 AM UTC

factcheck: Is Indonesia south of America (4.00 / 1)

Answer: yes.

So is Kenya.

But Obama goes to assassination of labor leaders.  Nice move, much smarter than me.


Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:53:53 AM UTC

McCain says (0.00 / 0)

Obama doesn't want to have trade w/ our largest partner but wants to sit down w/out pre-conditions w/ Hugo Chavez.  Mentions terrorists and says Obama would be Hoover making recession to depression.   It's amazing, last month the fundamentals were strong.  Now Obama has the power to make us have a depression.

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:57:00 AM UTC

Hoover wanted to balance the budget (4.00 / 1)

McCain is a fool.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:58:44 AM UTC

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Obama looks into camera to explain health care plan (0.00 / 0)

As he did with energy.  I think it's effective.


Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 01:58:00 AM UTC

McCain confuses me (0.00 / 0)

and I'm pretty knowledgeable about this stuff

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:00:29 AM UTC

What's wrong ... (0.00 / 0)

with Canada and England?  McCain has a problem with Canada and England?

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:01:15 AM UTC

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Flag Pin Check (4.00 / 3)

I almost forgot, Obama has his flag pin, McCain no pin.  I only noticed that because McCain looked so stunned when Obama said there would be no fine on healthcare that he just kept blinking and I had to look away.

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:02:16 AM UTC

McCain lying to Joe (0.00 / 0)

totally bizarre.  It's like being next to one of those people talking on their bluetooth phone.


Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:04:33 AM UTC

Senator Govoernment! (4.00 / 2)

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha  

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:06:02 AM UTC

your comment (0.00 / 0)

is much better than mine.  and we move from that to Rove v. Wade.  

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:06:46 AM UTC

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Karl Rove? (0.00 / 0)

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:14:11 AM UTC

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McCain just called Obama Senator Govenrment (0.00 / 0)

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:06:05 AM UTC

Please excuse the fact that i can't spell (0.00 / 0)

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:10:58 AM UTC

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Breyer? senior moment. (0.00 / 0)

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:08:11 AM UTC

Obama Voted Against Justice Breyer? (4.00 / 1)

I had no idea Obama was in the United States Senate in 1994.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:09:25 AM UTC

to Roe or not to Roe (0.00 / 0)

wow, this is interesting.

activist for hire.

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by: Jay Lassiter @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:10:45 AM UTC

Obama talks about common ground (0.00 / 0)

tries to get past the divisive parts of the abortion issue.   He says no one is pro-abortion.

McCain goes after the health of the mother saying the definition has been stretched.

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:16:04 AM UTC

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Bored, bored, bored, bored (4.00 / 1)

Oh, goodness, but this debate is boring.

That's good for Obama.

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by: huntsu @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:17:08 AM UTC

Flipping between (0.00 / 0)

the debate and the Phillies game, otherwise i might be nodding off.

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by: Jason Springer @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:22:45 AM UTC

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I think McCain's problem is that he is incoherent (4.00 / 1)

It's the senate problem.  He's argued and spoken about these issues for so long that he doesn't explain what he's talking about.

That's besides the anger and contempt problem, of course.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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by: Hopeful @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 02:21:54 AM UTC

So, after the election (0.00 / 0)

Will we be friends with Venezuela again? I keep wondering.

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by: Jeff Gardner @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 04:06:46 AM UTC