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Denver Update: SIX New Co-Sponsors for Marriage Equality in NJ

by: Scott Shields

Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:49:39 PM EDT



Let's hear it for Elease Evans, Nellie Pou, Joan Quigley, Pamela Lampitt, Gordon Johnson, and Sandra Cunningham. As reported earlier by both Scott Weingart, who's doing a fantastic job liveblogging the convention for us here at Blue Jersey, and Matt Friedman at PolitickerNJ.com, five members of our legislature stood up to be counted as strong supporters of marriage equality this morning during a presentation by Garden State Equality to our delegation in Denver. We've just added Elease Evans to the list, based on reports from the delegation.

Though there are still doubters, all indications are now that New Jersey will be the third state after Massachusetts and California to guarantee the right to marry for same-sex couples. This kind of momentum, indicated by this morning's surprising development, is incredibly hard to overcome. While civil unions have been a progressive step forward for the cause, New Jersey residents seem to agree that basic civil rights should no longer be denied to a significant portion of our population.

This has been a great week for New Jersey's Democrats. Despite some weird media fixation on whether or not Senator Menendez would be given a speaking role at the Pepsi Center (and everyone knows he'd have delivered the keynote if it were up to me -- and perhaps should have, all things considered), we've seen our share of groundbreaking scenes at this year's convention. Our state's delegation played a big role yesterday, from the morning move to pledge all of our 127 delegates to Barack Obama, to being the last state to have our delegates counted in the roll call before Hillary Clinton's historic motion to nominate Obama by acclamation. It's fitting that six new backers for the marriage equality bill would announce their support at a convention where so much history is being written.

Scott Shields :: Denver Update: SIX New Co-Sponsors for Marriage Equality in NJ
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Momentum for Marriage! (0.00 / 0)
As someone in the room, I can tell you the atmosphere was electric.

Most of the room-- truly New Jersey's finest, from elected leaders to activists-- listened thoughtfully to our presentation. Many reacted with pleasant surprise to hear that marriage equality polls exceptionally well. When we started our presentation some seemed apprehensive, but once we broke down the numbers, just about everyone was nodding their head in approval.

And we can't thank our terrific legislators enough: Senator Cunningham, Assemblywomen Pou, Quigley, Evans, and my own represenative Pam Lampitt (I'm clearly biased, but I think she's really the best Assemblywoman I could ask for), as well as Assemblyman Johnson.

I have to tell you, when those legislators literally stood up to stand for marriage equality, it sent a powerful message to the room: though we may look different and come from different backgrounds and regions, the movement for marriage equality is gaining momentum and powerful support across the spectrum.

We've still got work to do, but I'm happy to report from Denver that New Jersey is fired up for marriage equality. Together, we're going to make this happen.


reality-based politics (0.00 / 0)
Senator Cunningham's public support means that there are now five senators who have publicly supported ME (Weinberg, Lesniak, Buono, Stack and now Cunningham).  There are now ten Assembly members who have made a public show of support.

I believe that if the Senate passed S1967 that the Assembly would rapidly follow suit and pass A2978 and the Governor would sign it.

However, I also believe that unless the Senate passes S1967 that the Assembly will do nothing with A2978, especially with them being up for re-election and the Senate not being up.

You deserve applause for getting Senator Cunningham's public support.  However, even after taking away senators who are delegation members that have either already expressed a negative opinion about ME or those who are running for higher office in November, there are two other senators who are members of the delegation and represent safe seats.  If they aren't signing on, then it is yet another example of how difficult of a struggle this truly is and that the public spectacle strategy has some severe limitations (to put it mildly).

This issue is being raised repeatedly in the 100 days prior to the presidential election where we are also hoping to gain (at least) two seats in the House from New Jersey.  It is not a helpful issue in that effort.


Here's reality for you (0.00 / 0)
Your numbers are off-- we have six Senators who either currently cosponsor or have pledged to cosponsor, and thirteen Assembly members.

But I really take issue with this:

This issue is being raised repeatedly in the 100 days prior to the presidential election where we are also hoping to gain (at least) two seats in the House from New Jersey.  It is not a helpful issue in that effort.

Listen, we get it. We're not political amateurs. We're not pushing the marriage equality bill before November's election.

But to suggest that announcing Senator Cunningham and five other wonderful legislators will sign on to our bills would somehow doom our progressive congressional challengers is just silly. What do people in Toms River or Westfield care if a Senator from Jersey City cosponsors the bill?

Your argument also doesn't hold water if you look at polling. From our poll:

69 percent believe New Jersey will allow same-sex couples to marry, while only 21 percent believe New Jersey would not.    71 percent said, nothing will happen to legislators if they vote for marriage equality "because New Jersey voters care more about other issues."   Only 21 percent said supportive legislators would not be reelected.

Family friendly tax policies, Iraq, the economy, global warming are the politics that will rule the day this November. Suggesting that there would be a massive, decisive backlash on marriage equality here in New Jersey, when the bill isn't even up for a vote before November, isn't credible. The data just don't support it. And if you talk to voters, they'll tell you they've got bigger fish to fry in this election.


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According to the state Legislature website, (0.00 / 0)
Weinberg and Lesniak are sponsors of S1967.  Buono was a co-sponsor of S112 which was withdrawn from consideration.  Stack sponsored the Assembly bill last year, but has not signed on to the Senate bill yet.  And now Cunningham.  So, who did I miss?  Even so, six is a far cry from ten, much less 21.

Gusciora, Huttle, McKeon, Jasey and Wagner are listed as co-sponsors of A2878 and Johnson was also listed as a co-sponsor of A818.  Hackett and Payne were co-sponsors of A3685 last session, but are not in the Assembly now and Stack is now in the Senate.  Evans, Lampitt, Pou and Quigley bring it up to a total of ten which is a far cry from 20, much less 41.  But, I do believe 41 votes may be there if the Senate passed S1967.

Whose count is more accurate, now?

You can't say you aren't pushing the issue when you just released a poll on the issue!  If you were content to wait until after November, then why bring the poll out now?  

Elections for legislative bodies (whether the state Assembly, the state Senate or the US House) are done on a district-by-district basis.  Even if plurality (much less majority) support existed statewide for the underlying proposition as opposed to whether people believe that it will ultimately happen or whether legislators will lose, there is a big difference between that and particular districts where the elected officials whose votes you need actually live and die politically.

So, while you may say that you aren't amateurs (and that is true because amateurs aren't paid), the "strategy" is still rather amateurish.


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Rude (0.00 / 0)
Seriously, do you know how to write without being rude to people? You're making interesting "points," but you're not making them "well."

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Silliness (0.00 / 0)
This issue is being raised repeatedly in the 100 days prior to the presidential election where we are also hoping to gain (at least) two seats in the House from New Jersey.  It is not a helpful issue in that effort.

I don't want to accuse you of concern trolling on this, but it's really hard to see any other motive.  This is not an issue in the House elections, nor is it an issue that the GOP will actively run on.


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Where have you been??? (0.00 / 0)
They won't actively run on the issue?  When haven't they actively run on the issue???

I take Thurman's position on "rudeness" and the truth, but I am actually a lot nicer about it most of the time.  :-)


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I don't know the count (0.00 / 0)
but, as on any issue, we depend on those who are in safe districts to actually, you know, lead.

I don't have any stats in front of me, but the correlation between the number of co-sponsors and the final vote on any measure, I think, would be fairly weak.  I don't think it's any measure of how broad support it, though it might be an indication of how many think there may be political blowback from being a co-sponsor rather than just voting for it.

As far as running on the issue, the GOP has tried to do so and has been successful in some places.  But not in New Jersey.  The only thing their posturing has gotten them is big bills from PR firms.

I'm not sure if the Assembly or Senate will act first.  I'm not sure if that is really important.

As far as truth goes, I think everyone knows I shoot straight from the hip.  Sometimes I shoot friends, but that's only when they are standing in the wrong place.  In that case, I only shoot to wound (their pride).

But, yeah, my job prospects in this state are fairly slight.

To hell with what she wants, let's make Rosi Efthim the next DSC chair.


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That's why I mentioned the other two delegates (0.00 / 0)
There are two senators that are delegates who are from safe districts who didn't stand up with GSE.  That is part of the practical difficulty on this which seems to get regularly ignored.

The Assembly is always more gun-shy on anything more controversial.  That is why nothing has been posted for a vote by the Speaker.


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