No Joy in Hudson

Tip jar n/t (4.00 / 8)

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by: Thurman Hart @ Thu May 01, 2008 at 01:31:22 AM UTC

Congratulations (2.00 / 1)

My dear Thurman, perhaps you can now rest.  Or even better, now that you proudly claim credit for destroying a man's reputation based on things you read but had no inside knowledge of, perhaps you can muster your self-proclaimed courage and schedule a face-to-face meeting with Javier before his last day and realize the man he really is instead of believing all the trash and then hyping it up and propagating it in adulterated form.  Sleep well.  Then get a life!  

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by: TrueDem @ Thu May 01, 2008 at 02:11:09 AM UTC

Re: (4.00 / 2)

This was based on Inclan's own testimony under oath. No inside knowledge was needed. But if you know something we don't, please share.

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by: Juan Melli @ Thu May 01, 2008 at 02:41:00 AM UTC

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I do sleep well (4.00 / 3)

If you can point to anything I've said that was untrue, please do.  I made sure that I commented only on sworn testimony.

Why should I disbelieve "all the trash" that Javier Inclan swore was true about himself in court?  Are you saying that he merely lied in order to help convict David and Anna della Donna?  Somehow that doesn't convince me he should hold a Deputy CoS job.

As for a life - I have a very good one.  I treasure it.  Part of that life is working to leave a better community, country, and planet for my kids.  This is part of that effort.

You, on the other hand, should change your ID.  It's disgraceful for you to defend the corrupt under that title.

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by: Thurman Hart @ Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:08:27 AM UTC

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Reply (0.00 / 0)

I am not defending the corrupt, sir. I am simply defending accuracy.  It was not bagfuls of money as some press accounts have written. If you read all, you'd see that the real issue centered around a single envelope. You would also see that once Anna DD insinuated that it contained cash, Inclan told her in no uncertain terms to give it back.  Did he follow up? I guess not.  Was that right? Not really, but worth losing a job over?  

The artificial and dramatic connection you have made between Inclan and human traffickers is ridiculous!  Even the mayor most likely didn't know about Medrano or the Feds would have gone for that charge.  So to hold Inclan accountable for the envelope, fine.  To hold him accountable for the actions of Medrano is a lame stretch upon which you have based your writings.  
As for "inside information", I have none, although I have met and worked with Inclan and found him to be a stand-up guy.
But someone had to speak up, as you have been hell-bent on destroying a career by playing "six degrees of Luisa Medrano" because it's fun and dramatic to write about.   I won't write again.  My real name is Paul. Does it matter? You don't know me.  

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by: TrueDem @ Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:53:20 AM UTC

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You must be accurate to "defend accuracy" (0.00 / 0)

You are, indeed, defending the corrupt.  Inclan's job was to count money coming in and out of the Guttenberg Dems.  He testified that he did not do this.  That is not only an ethical violation, but a legal one as well.

I have been very careful about what I have written.  I have never said Inclan knew what Medrano was doing - in fact, almost every time I wrote, I stipulated that he most likely did not.  The fact was that he didn't care.  He didn't care what Medrano or the della Donnas were doing.  He was only worried about his career.

That - putting career over the law - is an act of corruption.  He was given a trust by the people and he broke it.  It's that simple.

I don't care what your name is, but if you are willing to overlook corruption and defend it because you "met and worked" with the corrupt person - then you don't deserve to use the title "TrueDem".

If you want to accuse me of inaccuracies, go back and find specific instances and I'll show you the news reports they came from.  Otherwise, stop grandstanding.

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by: Thurman Hart @ Fri May 02, 2008 at 14:11:02 PM UTC

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Wow. (4.00 / 2)

What part of the phrase "sworn testimony" is so tough to grok?

The nom de plume has a long and distinguished history.

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by: Tandalayo Scheisskopf @ Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:20:09 AM UTC

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Seriously, "TrueDem" Please Do Tell Us... (0.00 / 0)

...whatever you know of any "inside information" that might be exculpatory for Mr Inclan or that conflicts with his own sworn testimony?

Further, your somehow blaming, or holding Thurman accountable, in any way, for Inclan's being forced to resign is absurd.

To whatever extent Thurman or anyone anywhere (including me) urged Corzine to fire your friend; I say that was and remains a righteous exercise.

I would take it a notch further and suggest that if it isn't against the law to be a bagman   transferring funds for illicit purposes; it should be.  

And if it is illegal, Mr Inclan should be prosecuted....and if he is found guilty, he shouldn't get any pension.  

I'm still very suspicious as to why the governor didn't fire Inclan as soon as it was clear that he was a bagman in this ugly dirty business.  There's something fishy going on here.

TruDem, I hope you feel as much sympathy for the young women, whose lives have been horribly destroyed in this case, as you do for your friend Inclan.

I'd love to see a federal taskforce really aggressively get to the bottom of all the corruption in Essex, Bergen and Hudson Counties.   I bet such an effort would result in at least 500 convictions.  

Of course, Chris Christie isn't about to do that.   Eh?
 

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by: Nick Lento @ Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:53:13 AM UTC

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Connection with Sex Slavery (4.00 / 1)

I don't know whether Javier knew about the sex slavery ring or not.  But given that he turned a blind eye to an illegal activity which was later revealed to be sex slavery means that he can't remain in a senior position in the government.   It's that simple.   It's a tough break for him, but that's the problem when you take the risk of looking the other way.

Personally, I'm astonished how long it took the Governor to realize what he had to do.

-pb

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by: princetonblue @ Thu May 01, 2008 at 18:33:39 PM UTC

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The Governor (0.00 / 0)

never has realized - at least not publicly.

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by: Thurman Hart @ Thu May 01, 2008 at 21:09:54 PM UTC

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