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Maybe exposure in debates is the true purpose of Andrews' campaign.

by: Dvd Avins

Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:46 PM EDT



Others (including Juan and/or Thurman, if I remember right) have suggested that Andrews wins from this primary even if he loses, because it gives him the exposure to mount a successful campaign for the gubernatorial nomination should Corzine retire or be sufficiently unpopular.

The polls suggest that Lautenberg can probably win this, even if he ducks all debates. Contrary to the slander put out by Andrews partisans, Lautenberg would do fine in a debate. He'd probably win according to a majority those who listen on the radio and he'd probably lose to Andrews' prettier face according to a majority of those who watch on TV. But neither would score a knockout blow, or anything close to it.

So Lautenberg wins if he debates and he wins if he doesn't.

Dvd Avins :: Maybe exposure in debates is the true purpose of Andrews' campaign.
In which case I hope he tells Andrews to go **** himself. Because we don't need him as Governor any more than we need him as Senator.

On issues and philosophy, Rob Andrews is like Bob Kerrey or Evan Bayh, without having the excuse of coming from Nebraska or Indiana.

On corruption, he may be less tied to the machines than Sires or Payne, but he's certainly more so than Pallone or Holt. I don't know enough about Pascrell or Rothman to know where they fit, because they're so far north they're out of my orbit.

By personality, he shows overwhelming ambition and limited maturity, even compared to other politicians.

The only thing he's got going for himself is the sense of South Jerseyans that they've been neglected and are now entitled to get theirs, no matter who they make the mistake of choosing as their champion.


I don't totally reject the regional argument. I think national and global issues are a lot more important, but all else being close to equal, I want South Jersey to have people in positions of power who don't need an introductory course whenever they need to do constituent service south of Trenton.

I worked for Jim Florio's nomination and election in 1981, and had I not been working in DC at the time, would have worked for him in 1989. Being back in the state, I enthusiastically supported his reelection in 1993. But in the days since Florio left the county to become governor, Camden County has been sliding back in the direction of Erichetti-style politics, and Andrews is part of the problem.

I also need to point out that some (likely most) of the regional loyalty Andrews has is simply pride in the possible success of someone folks are already familiar with. That's fine for picking a sports team, but it's a lousy way to choose a political leader.

So if South Jersey wants more prominent representation, how about finding somebody else to be Mr. or Ms., South Jersey? Because so long as you choose a Norcross-allied, centrist-voting popinjay, you'll get limited sympathy from most of the folks I know.

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we should always support debates (4.00 / 2)
It's always advantageous to someone to duck debates.  I think we should support the principle of expecting them.  We can say it help Andrews, we can also say it helps build the party.

 

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If Lautenberg Grants a Debate... (4.00 / 1)
...as, ideally, I think he should; it should (at least) have three agendas.

1) Demonstrate that he's still got his "marbles".

2) Raise three or four fundamental questions that focus on Andrews'  credibility and his ethics in re his inconsistent statements on his early cheerleading for George Bush and DIck Cheney's war.

3) Demonstrate a broad grasp of a wide variety of issues....especially where he disagrees with Andrews.   (Fencing off the border ,flag amendment etc etc)

If there's any justice; this George Bush league move will end Andrews' viability to run for any elective office in NJ.   I'm sure he'll make all the money he needs in the future working for some lobbyist and/or for some military contractor.....after all, they owe him big time.

 


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Debates... (4.00 / 2)

Eloquent to the hilt! "George Bush League", great applause line too, Nick.

I am curious, did we always feel so strongly against Rob Andrews, or is it just because he is challenging Frank Lautenberg?

The weather can be quite fair around the Democratic camp, when someone paints outside the lines, no?


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I Had Hear of Andrews only in Passing.... (4.00 / 1)
...and knew essentially nothing about him before his challenge to Lautenberg.

I think Lautenberg is OK; but would much rather have a Pallone or a Holt in that office when Lautenberg steps down voluntarily.  

The more I find out about Andrews the less I like him.  I would still vote for him over just about any Republican on the scene in NJ; but that's not saying much.

I could go on; but suffice it to say that the question raised by Dvd Avins' diary is a good one; there seem to be all manner of hidden agendas with this guy.  

He, commendably, is/was/seemed to be willing to risk his House seat......but then his wife takes it over.  

Andrews comes off as too Machiavellian, even for New Jersey.....and the Norcross/Adubato/Ferriero axis of bossism (that originally supported him) stinks.


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I knew in 1997 that he was too conservative (0.00 / 0)
too conservative for me to want him as governor. And I've known for years he was the most conservative Democrat in our delegation. But I thought that he was from a difficult district, which would at least partly excuse his record.

t is during this current race that I learned he comes from the most solidly Democratic district in the state, and he has no excuse at all. I used to think he was acceptable for his district. Now, should he weasel and keep his house seat, I hope a progressive insurgent takes the house seat, be it ibn-Zayid this year or someone else next time.


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if you like that..... (4.00 / 2)
...if you like George Bush League, you'll love Salvador Dolly Parton.

Or...

Porn Star of David

or

Ho Chi Mihn Trail Mix?

you can stream them together to form sentences like "Oysters Rockerfellar center of attention deficit disoder"

or this gem:

"Daisy Duke University of Kentucky fried Chicken Little Bo Peep Show?"

So when's that debate again?



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