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Andrews vs Lautenberg on the issues

by: Juan Melli

Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 10:59:04 PM EDT



Now that it's official that Representative Rob Andrews will be challenging Senator Frank Lautenberg in the primary, people will be choosing sides. Some will fall in line because some party leader tells them to or because a patronage job is at stake. Others will choose based on the lame North/Central/South geography divide. Some might decide based on age, charisma or some other personality trait. And then there's that small sliver of the Democratic base that will actually decide based on the candidates' records and stances on the issues. This post is for them.

To begin with, it's worth pointing out that both candidates agree on the vast majority of issues. They're both left of center Democrats, so that's not much of a surprise. But they do have their differences.

On foreign policy, the difference is the most stark, so I want to focus on that a bit. In 2002, Andrews helped draft the legislation granting Bush the authority to use military force against Iraq:

"At the request of President Bush, I have helped to form a small group of Members of Congress from both political parties. We share the conviction that our duty to protect the people of the United States requires us to remove the Iraqi government from power. We are working to write and pass a Resolution authorizing our nation to take any steps necessary to replace the Iraqi dictatorship with a government that will practice peace.
He stood with Bush at the Rose Garden of the White House to announce the legislation.

Andrews at the Rose Garden

"Yesterday, I joined with President Bush and a bipartisan coalition of Senators and House members to announce that we have approved the final text of the Iraq Resolution. I am honored to have worked closely with the President to develop this this bipartisan proposal because I believe that Saddam Hussein poses a very clear and present threat to the entire world."

At the time, Frank Lautenberg was running for Senate and he said he too supported military action against Iraq after initially opposing it:

Frank R. Lautenberg, the Democratic nominee for Senate, said today that he unequivocally stands behind the Senate resolution giving President Bush the authority to act against Iraq, as he and the Republican candidate, Douglas R. Forrester, spent the day focusing on the potential war.
However since taking office, Lautenberg has consistently opposed Bush on the war and called for troops to come home, even while Andrews continued to support the misguided effort. Andrews and the rest of the New Jersey Democratic delegation are now unified in calling for a withdrawal of troops.

But that might be misleading. Last year I spoke with Andrews about his stance on the war, and although he is disappointed with the execution, he still believes that Iraq posed a threat to the United States -- even knowing in hindsight that they possessed no chemical or biological weapons. Although he wants to ensure that we get the intelligence right next time, he seems to have a considerably lower threshold for when he thinks war is justified. To over-simplify, he's considerably more hawkish than Lautenberg.

Below I created a table summarizing their stances on other issues, too. To try to be as fair as possible, I chose to compare how they voted on legislation that appeared in both the Senate and House during the same session. Of course, they agreed on much more than they disagreed, but there are some major issues on which they disagreed, and I highlighted those at the top of the table. Sadly, both Andrews and Lautenberg voted for the horrible legislation known as the "Military Commissions Act" which undermined both our Constitution and the Geneva Conventions. I'm sure this isn't complete and is missing important issues, so if there are any important votes I'm missing, let me know in the comments or email me and I'll add them.

AndrewsLautenberg
Mexican border fenceForAgainst
Flag burning amendmentForAgainst
Bankruptcy bill (harder to declare bankruptcy)ForAgainst
Funding for Iraq War (Oct, 2003)ForAgainst
Peru Trade AgreementAgainstFor
"Healthy Forests"AgainstFor
Star Wars Missile DefenseForAgainst
Estate tax repeal (2000)ForAgainst
Military Commissions ActForFor
Estate tax repeal (2006)AgainstAgainst
Expand SCHIPForFor
Protect America Act (expand FISA)AgainstAgainst
Implement 9/11 Commission RecommendationsForFor
Deadline for Iraq withdrawal (Apr, 2007)ForFor
Funding stem cell researchForFor
Tax breaks for oil companies (Energy bill)AgainstAgainst
CAFTAAgainstAgainst
Medicare Doughnut ActAgainstAgainst
Late term abortion banAgainstAgainst
Const Amndt to ban same-sex marriage (2006)AgainstAgainst
Drilling in ANWRAgainstAgainst
 
Corzine Toll Hike planForAgainst

Juan Melli :: Andrews vs Lautenberg on the issues
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The pros to this (4.00 / 2)
Lets look at the good in all of this

* Lautenberg will defeat Andrews forcing his retirement and getting rid of one the NJ House Delegation's worst Democrats

* Democrats have a chance to elect a real progressive to Andrew's seat.

Pro-Monmouth  


shouldn't Andrews be running in the Republican Primary??? (0.00 / 0)


a few more to add (0.00 / 0)
Lautenberg, to the unions' chagrin, recently voted for free trade with Peru; Andrews voted against it (Nov. 2007). Andrews is in favor of decriminalizing marijuana; I have yet to find a Lautenberg stance on it. Lautenberg also recently voted to declare the Iranian national guard a terrorist organization; there was no corroborating vote in the house, from what I gather. In ratings, in 2003, Andrews received a 100% rating from the NEA while Lautenberg received an 83% rating. While Andrews voted Voted YES on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations. Lautenberg voted Voted YES on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress (Nov 2006).

where (0.00 / 0)
where do u see that Andrews favors decriminalizing marijuana?

Pro-Monmouth  

[ Parent ]
Perhaps this? (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure if this is what Martin is talking about but Andrews co-sponsored HR 2592 (107th Congress) "[t]o provide for the medical use of marijuana in accordance with the laws of the various States."

Click on "Cosponsors" at this link: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/...

That's certainly not full decriminalization and I don't know if there was ever a corresponding Lautenberg position on the question.   But perhaps that will help.


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Re: (0.00 / 0)
Thanks, I've added the Peru Trade agreement and ANWR to the list. Looking for the lobbyist bills still.

Any future recommendations, it would be helpful if you provide links to the votes, or at least the bill numbers.


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Lobbyist Bills (4.00 / 1)
Again, I don't know for sure but I presume Martin is talking about HR 2317, a bill "[t]o amend the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 to require registered lobbyists to file quarterly reports on contributions bundled for certain recipients, and for other purposes."

The bill can be read at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/...

and the House vote (396-22-1) was taken on 24 May 2007 and can be read at http://clerk.house.gov/evs/200...

HR 2317 is on the Calendar in the Senate but has not yet been considered.

On the other lobbyist question Martin cited, in the 109th Congress, Senator Feingold proposed (and Senator Obama co-sponsored) an amendment which would "define employees of lobbying companies as registered lobbyists and therefore subject to the gift ban." The Senate voted on a motion to table the Amendment; Senator Lautenberg voted to table the Amendment. (Senator Menendez voted against killing the Amendment.)

The Senate vote on the motion to table was 68-30 and can be found at http://www.senate.gov/legislat...

Senator Lautenberg did support the underlying bill, S 2349 (109th Congress), and the Senate passed the underlying bill 90-8. (Vote found at http://www.senate.gov/legislat...

I don't know if you would want to include these bills in your table since they aren't the same issue, but just wanted to share the facts I found surrounding these issues.


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Re: (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for looking those up. I hope people post more relevant votes in the comments. For the purpose of the table, I'd like to try to keep it to issues where both have voted on the same - or very similar legislation.

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zerg (0.00 / 0)
Lautenberg & Andrews both voted against the Protect America Act.  I realize that doesn't help differentiate them, but it's nice to know Andrews isn't completely nuts.

I love THOMAS (0.00 / 0)
I saw that there were no links to the votes on the Constitutional Amendment to ban same-sex marriage in 2006. And I love THOMAS, so I thought I would help.

The House considered H.J.Res 88 (109th Congress), "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to marriage," on 18 July 2006; by a vote of 236-187-1, the Joint Resolution failed to receive the 2/3 vote required for passage. Andrews voted against the Amendment and the vote found at http://clerk.house.gov/evs/200...

I'm still looking for Senate consideration and will post Lautenberg's no vote as soon as I find it.


Found It (0.00 / 0)
The Senate considered a "Motion to Proceed to Consideration" of S.J.Res 1 (109th Congress), the Senate version of the Constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.

The Democrats filibustered and the Senate voted on the Cloture Motion (to the Motion to Proceed to Consideration of S.J.Res 1) on 6 June 2006.

Senator Lautenberg voted against cloture (voted to continue the filibuster) on the Motion to Proceed and the Senate, by a vote of 49-48, did not come close to the 3/5 vote required to bring debate to a close.

The vote is at http://www.senate.gov/legislat...


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how did Andrews vote on DOMA???? (0.00 / 0)


Estate tax and bankruptcy bill (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, Andrews is a real "left of center" Democrat.

DOMA (0.00 / 0)
both Lautenberg & Andrews voted for it. (104th Congress, 1996 -- ty wikipedia).  BUT!!!!

Andrews voted AGAINST Barney Frank's Amendment to "suspend DOMA when [a] State provides for a definition different than which is provided in the bill"  H. Amend. 1286, Roll Call #314 (THOMAS)

Lautenberg offered an Amendment (#5173) for a "Gun Ban for individuals committing domestic violence." unfortunately the Amendment was not adopted. (THOMAS)

all in all, Lautenberg should receive the higher LGBT score on this one.


peru trade agreement (correction) (0.00 / 0)
I'll post links next time; but, even according to the links above, Andrews voted against the Peru free trade agreement, while Lautenberg voted for it. Please correct.

corrected (0.00 / 0)
It was about 3am when I made that update. Thanks for catching that.

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Check out their votes on these sites (0.00 / 0)
Progressive ratings are:
Frank - 93.29%
Rob - 80.69%

Rob:
http://www.progressivepunch.or...
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http://projects.washingtonpost...
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Frank:

http://projects.washingtonpost...
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What I found most interesting was the no votes for Rob in the past year.


Movin' On (0.00 / 0)
In September '07, MoveOn ran its infamous "Petraues/Betray Us" ad in the NYTimes. Republicans in Congress (a.k.a. "The Surge Protectors") recognized the opportunity and pounced. They cranked up the noise machine to "hysterical," accused MoveOn of slander, and introduced House and Senate resolutions condemning the ad and supporting Petraeus. Lautenberg voted against the Senate resolution; Andrews supported the House version.

The MoveOn flap was staged by GOP Noise Machine to discredit war critics and distract attention from substantive questions and critiques of the surge and the war. Andrews was a player in this sideshow. His support for the House resolution demonstrated a lack of spine and a disturbing willingness to fold under pressure from right-wing noise merchants.

I like Lautenberg because he always votes my way. But his age is an issue and I believe he should retire. I doubt Andrews would be a worthy successor.

Need more proof? Here's a link to Bush signing the Iraq War resolution in October '02. Note Andrews standing behind Bush, Cheney, and Lieberman. Birds of a Feather?


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Church Street a gift to add to (0.00 / 0)
your collection of Rob's blunders:

Rob Stands Behind Bush's War Resolution

RobStandsbyBush.JPG

http://www.dfalink.com/uploads...


Nice pic (0.00 / 0)
Had a screenshot from WH video, but couldn't figure out how to get it into post.

BTW, I've noticed that Andrews in photos looks a lot like another Jersey guy, just add a few lbs.  


[ Parent ]
Rob is just (0.00 / 0)
as crooked as Jack, that's for sure.
Rob always has his hand in the pocket of his corporate owners.

But the list Norcross released of possible replacements are all of the same ilk.

We are trying to build up support for Dr.Ibn-Ziyad,  a fine gentleman,who has been an activist and a progressive most of his life.

Unfortunately the people in South Jersey  are going to sit on their butts and let Norcross put another corrupt politican in. Then they wonder why South Jersey is passed over all the time.

Hey their philosophy is , its far better to sit and complain then actually do something to change it. :^)


[ Parent ]
American Jobs Creation Act of 2004 (4.00 / 1)

H.R.4818.  As I read it:

Andrews, Yes.  Lautenberg, No.

After its enactment, the NY Times took on what it referred to as a "tax holiday" for corporations in an editorial (Jan 30, '05):  

"...a government-sponsored opportunity for American multinationals to bring their foreign profits back to the United States at a puny tax rate of 5.25 percent, compared with the normal corporate rate of 35 percent.  Johnson & Johnson intends to repatriate $11 billion. And that is just the beginning of what is shaping up to be an unprecedented government giveaway.  The drug giant Schering-Plough has announced a coming $9.4 billion repatriation... Pfizer is considering whether to repatriate $29 billion in untaxed foreign profits; Intel has $6 billion [eligible for repatriation]...

The Homeland Investment Coalition, a roster of dozens of America's largest corporations, lobbied vigorously -- and successfully -- for a tax holiday before deigning to repatriate their overseas profits.

Congress's ostensible purpose for allowing the holiday is to unleash a flood of money for job creation, hence the name of the law that includes the holiday -- the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004. But few of the approved uses for the repatriated funds -- such as debt redemption, advertising and a catchall category of ''financial stabilization'' -- will lead directly, if at all, to more jobs. One approved use -- the ability to spend the money to buy other companies -- would be more likely to create layoffs, as corporate acquisitions usually do.

Companies can also use the money to help pay legal liabilities, which could prove to be a big boon for companies like the drug maker Merck, which is sitting on some $15 billion in untaxed foreign profits and faces an estimated $18 billion in potential claims arising from the Vioxx debacle."

The first round showed no NJ House members voting no, and the Senate took a voice vote, so there is no record of how individual senators voted.  But then Payne and Garrett voted No to the final conference report, as did Lautenberg and Corzine.  Andrews voted Yes.



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