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Why Dick Codey and Others Should Stick With Edwards

by: huntsu

Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:29:36 AM EST



UPDATE: Dick Codey announces he's staying with John Edwards because he's the right candidate for our time.  This had to be written and planned before Nevada since it was in this morning's paper, meaning he agrees Edwards should go on regardless of last night's outcome.

I back John Edwards, and want him to become President.  However, after he lost both NH and IA then polled four percent in Nevada yesterday the odds are incredibly long.  Anyone who is looking at this race pretty much has to admit that.

But neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton is running away with this one.  It looks like the delegate race is really close, Hillary is leading national polls and Obama has some leads in important upcoming states.  There is a great possibility that this will result in a brokered convention with no nominee until then.

And that's why, despite all the urging by Obama supporters, I still support John Edwards in the Democratic Primary and suggest that anyone who wants to see this party and its platform move to the left do the same.  Don't abandon him on February 5 so you can be with the eventual winner.  

If you believed in his positions, in his fight, in his temperament, in his history, in his mission before he started falling behind then you have a chance to continue the fight for all these things by staying the course.  Even if you think Edwards can't win, the things he and we stand for can if we don't back down and do some bandwagon jumping on Feb. 5.

huntsu :: Why Dick Codey and Others Should Stick With Edwards
Why?  Because John Edwards is indisputably the most progressive candidate in the race.  I'm not arguing voting record or history, but what the campaign has been run on and what issues he's focused on for the past four years.  His focus on the working family, health care and taking on the moneyed power in this country has been a revelation, and has dramatically pulled this race to the left.

If he drops out, that voice goes away and the pressure on Obama and Hillary to stay progressive lessens.  Frankly, neither has shown a personal affinity for progressivism as part of this campaign.  Hillary is the DLC candidate and the favorite of the establishment Democrats, and Obama has his bipartisan, don't piss the right wing off because we need to work together thing going.

If there is a brokered convention for the Democrats, then having Edwards with a good sized handful of delegates means that he will be able to horse-trade for platform planks and speaking positions -- and speakers -- at the convention.  It will mean that the most powerful voice against the corporate power over our government and for universal healthcare will still be heard at convention time.

He's not going to win the Presidency in a brokered convention.  The only way he was going to win is through the ballot box and that didn't happen.  Of course, they said Lincoln couldn't win either, and look what happened then.

This is not to suggest that if you think Hillary or Obama are the best candidates that you shouldn't vote for them.  This is advice just for Edwards folks who may be thinking of abandoning ship before Edwards does.  It's a nomination system and you should back the ones you want.  But if you still have questions about the frontrunners then maybe backing Edwards may not be a bad idea.

A brokered convention might not be so bad.  Those states with late primaries will still be able to weigh in on the race and the issues as the candidates -- top tier and otherwise -- fight for delegates to strengthen their hand.  I don't know if we can take it for that long, but there would be excitement about the race throughout the spring and summer when usually all the candidates are doing is raising money.

It also looks like the Republicans may be heading towards a brokered convention of their own, so the damage done by not having a candidate in place early and saving money is muted.  If they are still fighting in August then there is a chance that their money will be gone and we'll still have our pockets full since our fundraising is going through the roof and theirs is drying up.

If Edwards supporters maintain their support through all the primaries it strengthens the progressive hand in the event of a brokered convention.  It helps if Hillary or Obama wins outright, but even more so with a brokered convention.

Most delegates have not been officially dedicated yet, as we learned from Nevada yesterday.  Even though Obama claimed he won 13 national delegates to Clinton's 12, Joan Walsh of Salon.com reports that Nevada's delegate awards aren't for months and don't necessarily mirror the caucuses.  Edwards "won" delegates in Iowa, but could lose a few if he is gone from the race since they haven't been officially declared yet.  

So the only way to protect any delegates Edwards has already won is to keep him in the race.  Obviously the only way to win some more is to keep him in the race.  So the idea, if you believe in the positions John Edwards has taken and want them in our platform and as part of our party, is to keep voting for Edwards and not to abandon him now.

And if you are a Richardson, Dodd, Biden or other partisan and have serious questions about Hillary or Obama then it makes sense for you to move over to Edwards as well.  Keep this thing as open as you can as long as you can and push the party to make some serious changes during convention as they fear everything falling apart.

All you Gore supporters out there (and, by the way, I've always said I would drop Edwards in a heartbeat if Gore got in) this is your last chance.  Gore's only chance is to be drafted at a deadlocked convention, which would be -- to me -- just about the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen in my three decades in politics.

The frontrunners will be making deals with the establishment Dems, the big money donors, the powerful folks over the next few months to be sure they win and win big.  That is just politics, and I don't begrudge them that at all.  It's what has to be done to consolidate their authority into the convention and their support for the general.  

We need someone from the outside who has something -- say, delegates in their pocket -- who can be sure that the powerful aren't the only ones the frontrunners have to negotiate with.  And the only person who has the potential for that right now is John Edwards.

This is an opportunity to make sure the bosses and establishment Democrats  out there have to listen to the progressive wing, and not just give us lip service like the Republicans have the evangelicals.  With Edwards holding a big pocketful of delegates he can give to one of the top tier candidates we have a chance to really break down the gates and make a difference.

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Wow. (3.50 / 2)
I did not see that coming from Codey.

(And, I couldn't agree more.)


Maybe Codey Reads BlueJersey!!! ;-) n/t (3.00 / 1)


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Good Sunday mornin' news (3.50 / 2)
All these things are still true. And I'm glad to hear them from Sen. Codey this morning.

Rise and shine.

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  


Still True and Bear Repeating and Reinforcing to New Audiences n/t (3.00 / 1)


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Reality (3.00 / 1)
I thought you were writing about Kucinich who is more progressive than Edwards and actually introduced legistation and voted correctly to back up his positions, unlike Edwards.
By the way, you have not been paying attention to Laban (the wide one) who wants Edwards to drop out and support his "eloquent" empty suit candidate.
Oh well, never mind.
Here is the current, actual delegate count including super delegates:

Magic Number 2,025

Clinton      210

Obama     123

Edwards   52

Kucinich     1

It comes from this web site:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20...


You're right. Let's talk about voting history (4.00 / 1)
Kucinich had a 95% rating from the National Right To Life organization before he ran for president in 2004.

Not too progressive.


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As An Edwards Supporter I Reject the Premise that Obama's Suit is "Empty" (0.00 / 0)
Hillary or Obama would be stellar presidents compared to anyone in the Republican field.

We need to be about being pro-American and pro Edwards; that means rejecting the Bush enablers at every turn (not picking at each other's "nits".  

Edwards is my first choice and/but the way to advance him/his agenda is to refrain from taking pot shots at fellow Democrats.


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bombs away (4.00 / 3)
This will be a fun thread.

PLEASE, (4.00 / 1)
before, we have another 52 comment diary can we wait until South Carolina and then talk about it?  If Edwards wins South Carolina (or at least comes real close), then there is an argument to stay in the race and there will be resources to fund that.  If he loses badly (not even necessarily as badly as he did in Nevada), then staying in becomes rather difficult to either achieve or justify.  But, right now, all that happens is another excuse to display plumage.

If you really want to help your preferred candidate (whomever that may be), then WORK for them OFFLINE.  I seriously doubt that there are very many (if any) genuinely undecided people who read this blog.

After South Carolina, there will be nine glorious days to extol your preferred candidate and contrast them with the others.


[ Parent ]
I Disagree, The More People Discuss Edwards' Candidacy; The More Likely They Are To Support Him! n/t (1.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
So, you really think there are a bunch of readers of THIS blog who are undecided??? n/t (0.00 / 0)


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yes, I do (0.00 / 0)
But not as to who people are currently supporting--on that, I think you're right, Creed: most of our readers have already made up their minds.  But there is pressure being applied to Edwards supporters urging them to jump ship and go for Obama--and I don't think all of the Edwards supporters who read BJ have made up their minds on that issue.  

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."  (Teddy Roosevelt)

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Those are two different issues (0.00 / 0)
The first is deciding upon a first choice.  I believe you and I are in agreement that virtually everyone who reads this blog has decided on a first choice (and perhaps even a second if your first choice was Biden, Dodd or Richardson).  So, spending time and space advocating support for one candidate or another is a waste of time and an exercise in plumage spreading.

Trying to be consistent, I have also opposed spending time trying to convince Edwards supporters that their candidate should drop out.  Even if you got any of them to agree, John Edwards would stay in.  It is premature to get into a discussion about jumping ship or strategic voting or whatever until South Carolina has voted.  Depending on those results, it may not matter whether people have "made up" their minds or not, the question may be moot.  But again, nothing that is said here will impact even ONE vote in South Carolina.

I realize that adopting my position would take away some of the "fun" for people who believe that blogging is a way to reach the masses and is a substitute for field work for your candidate in the real world, but sometimes reality is annoying.


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Who said this was a substitute? (0.00 / 0)
Blogging for everyone on the front page is only part of their work in politics, and the vast majority of it takes place offline.

Don't assume that just because you only see us here that this is the only place we are.  :-)


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I disagree. (4.00 / 1)
Our front-pagers know who we're supporting. And most of those who regularly post here have also decided.

But regulars here might not always be aware how many people drop in who haven't yet written their first diary, or posted a comment. It's perfectly okay not to have decided yet and plenty of people come here to read some of the action we have going discussing the Primary.

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  


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Rosi is 100% Right! (0.00 / 0)
The BJ audience, potentially, numbers in the thousands....and I strongly suspect that a very small per centage of them are as "stuck in the mud" in their views as some here may believe.  ;-)

 


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I've been impressed... (4.00 / 1)
...by the folks who have posted in these discussions who have never posted before.  There are a lot of people we don't know who are checking BJ and who are paying attention to what is, for the most part, a very thoughtful exchange.        

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."  (Teddy Roosevelt)

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Creed Is Right (0.00 / 0)
I mean correct.
Let's get out on the street to get the non-voting public to support our respective candidates.
Talking to each other on the blogs doesn't do it.

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This is what Bill Clinton Used To Call a "False Choice"; We Can Do Both! n/t (0.00 / 0)


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Why not do both? (0.00 / 0)
Seriously, not everything in binary.

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Bingo. (4.00 / 1)
Dottie, you're very observant. That's exactly what's happening, and it's a thrill for the rest of us to see new people pop up and register their opinions.

Blue Jersey is a community blog, and it gets its life not only from its front-pagers, but from a readership encouraged to help write the story of what goes on in New Jersey politics. In real time, bay-bee.

If you're reading this and you've never posted before, this is an invitation to comment on what you read here or stare down a blank box on your screen and fill it with a diary of your own.

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  


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I like Edwards (4.00 / 1)
But Hillary is leading the delegate count (with super-delegates couted) over Obama by 211 to 122.  That's ninety (mostly) super-delegates that are going to be hard to make up with the proportional split of dedicated delegates.  This is especially true if Edwards remains in the race.  

The only Super Tuesday states that he is in contention are Oklahoma and Colorado.  Those states are not enough to make him viable, while they could provide enough of a boost to Obama to make the race truly within reach.


I haven't always agreed with Codey (3.50 / 2)
he was my Senator for 20 years until I moved.  But I have to say, we need more people to take a stand like his.  I am an Edwards supporter, have been since he set up a website which provided alerts and information on  advocacy opportunities against poverty.

Edwards is the true progressive and I worry that Obama and Clinton are going to become party hacks, scared to take a chance Democrats (like so many in the Congress today).

To say without corporations there would be no trial lawyers is to say that corporations should be allowed to be unethical, irresponsible and unaccountable for products and services.  

the Main Stream Media has completely closed out Edwards and is trying to force us into choosing from the 2 most "acceptable" candidates, candidates who fit their need to pit an woman against an African American.  This is the stuff pundit dreams are made of.

To paraphrase the "Who" let's not get fooled again.


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