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Is a brokered Democratic National Convention in 2008 possible?

by: Draft Gore NJ

Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 10:15:07 PM EDT



This question is raised in an article on the NJ page of the Campaigns & Elections website.

The theory presented is that if no major candidate enters the Democratic pool of candidate by November 1, there is going to be a significant amount of buyer's remorse amongst current Clinton supporters as the inevitability question becomes an electability question, which will dramatically shrink the polling gap that currently exists between Clinton and the other candidates, especially Barack Obama and John Edwards and particularly in early primary states.

With so many states voting between the beginning of January and February 5 and each of the front-running candidates having strengths and weaknesses in different states, it is reasonable to believe that if Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina do not produce a clear-cut winner going into the February 5 primaries, no single candidate would win enough delegates to claim the nomination on the first ballot at the Democratic National Convention in Denver next summer.

Draft Gore NJ :: Is a brokered Democratic National Convention in 2008 possible?
If that happens, what happens next?  The most obvious, but unlikely in my opinion, scenario is that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama would cut a deal with the person possessing the most delegates taking the Presidential nomination and the other becoming that person's VP.  But a New York-Illinois or Illinois-New York ticket isn't the most effective combination from an electoral math point of view and both Clinton and Obama know this.

Will Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, and Bill Richardson have enough delegates between them collectively to put either Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or John Edwards over the top?  Since John Edwards probably has no interest in being a VP candidate again, what else could he get for his delegates?  If he is true to his principles, he would pledge them to Obama, who is undoubtedly the candidate who would be most likely to share his vision on many, if not, most of the issues.

Thus, if a brokered convention ensues and as the candidates wrangle amongst themselves and their delegations between the first and second ballots in an effort to cut a deal that will achieve a compromise candidate, the true consensus candidate, Al Gore, will hopefully have a small group of delegates on the floor of the convention, working the floor to build support for him, while bringing about order from such chaos.

Draft Gore NJ is committed to giving Democratic voters in each of New Jersey's 20 delegate districts the opportunity to vote for Al Gore on February 5 by running a full state of uncomitted delegate and alternate candidates, who are committed to voting for Al Gore at the Democratic National Convention, whether he is an active candidate or not.  If you have any interest in becoming a Draft Gore NJ delegate or alternate candidate or supporting this effort in any way, please go to the Draft Gore NJ website.

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Is the website Reed's or someone else's?  The contact phone number would appear to be someone else's.  The idea of a brokered convention has enough of a whiff of the smoke-filled backroom without even the website being anonymous.

Of course, the whole scenario is simply a thought experiment anyway. 


smoke-filled backroom (4.00 / 1)
What kind of smoke are you referring to, Creed?

Everyone involved in Draft Gore NJ knows how much of longshot this effort is (that is, unless Al Gore actually announces that he is running sometime in the next few weeks, which would immediately change the nature of the entire operation), so if you are accusing us of smoking something, I guess that is fair, albeit inaccurate.

However, if you think that this effort is being engineered by some dark, sinister, establishmentarian, behind-the-scenes, force, then you are way off-base.

This is an exercise in democracy.  Rather than appeal to Al Gore to run for President, which he may or may not decide to do, Draft Gore NJ is appealling directly to the voters with the hope that enough of us can become delegates and have an impact on the outcome of the 2008 Democratic National Convention if no single candidate can win the nomination on the first ballot.

The ownership of the website is irrelevant.  There are no names on it, because this effort is not about egos and titles.  Reed is the inspiration for it.  Anybody who would like to know more about the organization can contact us directly.

It is good to know that you are so dismissive of this effort.  Considering the fact that you have been and may stilll be a Gore supporter, I was deeply concerned that I might actually have to work alongside you once again.  I can now sleep much better, knowing that this is not going to happen.


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With Apologies to Sally Field and Smirkin (0.00 / 0)
I can't deny the fact that you DON'T like me, right now, you DON'T like me!

How will I sleep at night???


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The web site (0.00 / 0)
The web site was made by me, Jerry.

The phone number is Bertin's.


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An interesting point. (0.00 / 0)
There can easily be a call for a vote to open up the delegates.  In other words, even though delegates are pledged to a candidate, the convention has a power to release them of their pledges delegates.  So even though delegates come pledged to one candidate, they are convinced for the good of democracy to oppen the vote up.  Then everyone presumably would work to court delegates, and we have a 19th century style convention. 

It by new means could benefit Gore alone. 

An attempt of this occured in 1980; however Ted Kennedy lost that vote to open the delegates to Carter's people.

  This is to my knowledge the last time in American politics the convention even had a decision to make.


correct me if I am wrong, but... (0.00 / 0)
...I think that this happens automatically if the first ballot is completed and no single candidate has enough delegates to win the nomination.  I am not sure, but I don't believe that a vote is required to release the delegates from their pledges prior to a second ballot.

Considering the fact that Creed knows practically everything about practically everything, I am sure that he can confirm, clarify, or refute this.


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Thanks (0.00 / 0)
Are you confirming my assessment of how delegates are released from their pledges prior to a second ballot or that you know practically everything about practically everything or both?

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Resisting Temptation (0.00 / 0)
Talk about lofting one over the plate!  :-D

I always appreciate your acknowledgements of my brilliance, backhanded or otherwise.  ;-)

Seriously, delegates are only bound to their preference on the first ballot.  That is why the Kennedy forces tried to change the rules in 1980.  No convention has gone past a first ballot since 1952.

Just for the record, I would support Al Gore if he ran (even if he announced tomorrow).  Not because he is "perfect," but he would be the best.  However, I know he isn't going to do that (not because I know "practically everything about practically everything," but because I can understand the English language).  There aren't any perfect candidates, but we need to all work to get a Democrat elected in 2008.


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Creed's brilliance (0.00 / 0)
Despite the personal issues that we have with one another, I feel pretty comfortable in saying that I have never disputed your encyclopaedic historical and technical knowledge of all things political.  99.9% of the time, our disagreements are ideological or philosophical.

Whether Al Gore decides to run or not remains to be seen.  I think that he will make an unequivocal statement on this subject one way or another between now and November 1.

At that time, he will announce that he is running, which will dramatically change the dynamic of the Draft Gore NJ movement or he will announce that he is definitively not running and most likely endorse one of the candidates who are currently running.

If he does the latter, then the people who are involved with the Draft Gore movement will have a tough decision to make.  They can either 1) support the candidate that Gore endorses, 2) support another candidate, or 3) continue the effort to run uncommitted Gore delegates and alternates.

My preference at the moment would be Option #3, because as much as I respect Al Gore, my feelings about the qualifications of some of the candidates who are currently running and the ability of some of the other candidates who are currently running to win the Democratic nomination will not be modified significantly by his endorsement.  If Gore were to endorse Joe Biden, Barack Obama, or Bill Richardson, I could probably be convinced to choose Option #1.

That said, Gore's endorsement of one of the candidates in the current field doesn't dramatically change my thinking that a brokered convention in 2008 is a possibility, albeit a remote one, and that the presence of uncommitted delegates who are committed to Al Gore could still play a role in promoting him as a consensus candidate in the event that the existing field of candidates are unable to achieve a resolution prior to a second ballot.

That said, nothing that the Draft Gore movement in NJ or otherwise is doing at the moment or going forward will have any negative impact on the 2008 general election.  One way or another, the 2008 Democratic National Convention will produce a nominee, and whether that nominee is Al Gore, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, or even Dennis Kucinich (excuse me while I try to keep a straight face), there is no doubt in my mind that the members of Draft Gore NJ will be working alongside other Democrats on behalf of the party's nominee to win in 2008.


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Hey (0.00 / 0)
Why not hope that the Supreme Court determines the winner of the next election?

I'm still pulling for Grover Cleveland...


Cleveland's a hack (4.00 / 1)
There's no way he can win.

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Gore Wins Nobel Peace Prize!!!! (0.00 / 0)
.......well not yet; but it seems probable.

I agree that it's unlikely; but I would indeed love to see a brokered convention in which Gore was "drafted" as the nominee. 

Then again, I would also love to see Kucinich win it outright.  LOL

Whoever we get, even if it's Clinton, will stand heads and shoulders above any of the Republicans now running.


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Are you going to run in your delegate district as a Kucinich delegate?  I can't imagine that you are going to have to fight hard to win one of those slots.

If not, please consider going to the Draft Gore NJ website and registering to be a Gore delegate or alternate.

While I think getting enough votes in any delegate district to seat a delegate or alternate will definitely be an uphill climb, I am very confident that the Draft Gore NJ slate of delegates and alternates will get more votes than the Kucinich slate of delegates and alternates in most delegate districts.


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