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Good News for Reproductive Freedom

by: huntsu

Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 03:47:05 PM EDT



Some good news from the New Jersey Supreme Court:

A doctor has no duty to tell a woman considering an abortion that her embryo is an "existing human being," a unanimous state Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday.

The 5-0 ruling scrapped the possibility of a trial touching on the question of when human life begins.

That's 5-0, by the way.  Republicans and Democrats voted on that one.  But there's more:

The decision, citing past rulings, said the court "will not place a duty on doctors when there is no consensus in the medical community or among the public" on when life begins.

And that is the rub.  The anti-abortion crowd will constantly run around and scream that there is scientific proof that life begins at conception, but they are unable to prove it using the scientific method.  It is only through a severe and complete misunderstanding of what science and the scientific method are that can get a person to believe science can tell when life begins.

Many people say life begins at viability, when the fetus is capable of living outside the womb on its own for a significant period of time.  Others say it begins at the quickening.  Still others at the first heartbeat, and a rare few believe it begins at birth. 

But these are definitions, not duplicable experiments.  There has to be an experiment to challenge the idea (i.e., one that can fail) and it has to be repeatable.  Then it goes through peer review and other people try to repeat the experiment.  But there is no experiment to determine when life begins, and the mere fact of a scientist saying something doesn't mean it's scientific.

Now, there are issues at hand with this case, and I am not belittling the plaintiff's pain.  She maintains she asked her doctor if her six week old fetus was a baby, and he said, "'Don't be stupid, it's only blood.'"

That makes him a crappy doctor, and in my opinion should be taken to the medical board for review of his medical knowledge.  But it doesn't mean that every doctor has an obligation to inform pregnant women that a fetus is a full-fledged human being.

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I know this case (patient and doctor) (0.00 / 0)
She had a nonviable fetus (without cardiac activity.)

EEG (4.00 / 1)
Here is another potential criterion to add to the ones mentioned by Huntsu: electroencephalography (EEG), which measures electrical activity of the brain (also casually referred to as 'brainwaves').  The absence of EEG activity is often used to help determine death or brain death.  What about the human fetus, you ask.  One source indicates that the first measurable EEG activity appears at about 12 weeks, and continuous activity may occur at 30 weeks.  Perhaps this helps to narrow the 'life begins' period to somewhere in the 12-30 week interval.

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This is pretty close if not the same as my opinion.  I believe HUMAN life begins when the brain is developed enough for a conscience; awareness, which I think is considered a primary difference between human life and other animal life, with high intelligence being another.  I believe a LIFE form begins at conception, with the POTENTIAL to become a human life after the brain develops sufficiently. 

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But EEG Doesn't mean consciousness (0.00 / 0)
EEGs measure brain waves, but do not measure thought or consciousness.  Simply because a developing organ can perform its functions as designed.

You'd have to be able to prove thought and not just electrical impulses for that one to work for me.


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Yes, I agree (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't focusing well enough on exactly what EEGs measure, but I guess I was saying brain function plays a role for me as to when human life begins.  In that, it was somewhat similar to the post above.  But if EEGs don't measure the existence of conscience, then no, not EEG waves in and of themselves--but the point when a conscience exists. 

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Abortion rights (0.00 / 0)
For my money, abortion rights are just as important as other civil rights issues -- gay and lesbian rights, animal rights,and more -- so this ruling should be viewed as a clear and marked victory for protecting a woman's right to choose.

Though I have very little to contribute in terms of huntsu's even-handed approach to how life is defined by opposing groups, or the previous poster's helpful comments on brain readings, I consider such criteria, as the Court rightly ruled, to be based on subjective criteria; and surely a doctor shouldn't be compelled to state that a mass of cells/fetus/baby is a "living human being."


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