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Speak for Yourself, Mr. Oury

by: carolh

Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 11:16:43 PM EDT



On August 28, 2007 the Record's Charles Stile wrote an article about the Ferriero Bergen Democratic organization's intention to challenge the state's pay-to-play laws that included an interview with BCDO attorney Dennis Oury.

In response, Senator Loretta Weinberg, Assemblyman Gordon M. Johnson and Assemblywoman Valerie Vainieri Huttle wrote the following letter and sent it to Chairman Joseph A. Ferriero.

August 28, 2007

Joseph A. Ferriero, Chairman
Bergen County Democratic Organization
50 Main Street
Hackensack, NJ 07601

Dear Joe,

We were quite amazed to read the Charles Stile Record article, "Lawyer asks: What's wrong with pay-to-play? http://www.northjers...

According to this article, Dennis Oury will be going into court on behalf of the Bergen County Democratic Organization to strike down the state's landmark pay-to-play legislation.

As sponsors of this "landmark legislation" and as members of the Bergen County Democratic Legislative Delegation, all of whom voted for it, we wondered if we missed the Executive Committee meeting that authorized Mr. Oury to go into court on behalf of our organization?

Again, according to the article, "Pay-to-play is a myth, manufactured by the press and government do-gooders who never ran a race for dogcatcher, let alone a costly street fight for a county freeholder seat."  As three people who have run races in primaries and general elections from our district and county-wide, and as card carrying members of the "government do-gooders", we wonder what experience Mr. Oury has in any of these areas?

We are particularly concerned about our party taking a stand on this issue without the input of our leadership and rank and file. It is bad government, bad politics and bad timing just before an election.

Mr. Oury is entitled to do anything he wishes as a private citizen. However, as the party's lawyer and Chair of its Bylaws Committee, he has no right to take action on our behalf without full discussion.

We know that our constituents are concerned about important issues like property taxes, health care and the war in Iraq. We also know that pay-to-play adds to the increased cost of running government and our constituents know that too. For example, more than 2,000 Teaneck residents signed a petition to put a banning pay-to-play ordinance on the ballot this November. The Teaneck Council is now deciding whether to follow the leadership of their constituents.

Before this lawsuit progresses any further, we are requesting a full discussion within our party regarding this important issue.

Sincerely,

Loretta Weinberg, Senator, LD37
Gordon M. Johnson, Assemblyman, LD37
Valerie Vainieri Huttle, Assemblywoman, LD37

REAL DEMOCRATS. REALLY HELPING PEOPLE.

cc: Members of the Bergen County Democratic Organization

 

carolh :: Speak for Yourself, Mr. Oury
Now I know what Dennis Oury has been plotting in his undisclosed bunker with his man-sized safe.  The overthrow of all Pay-To-Play ordinances in NJ.  As much as you and I may feel that the Pay-To-Play is bad, Oury feels that Pay-To-Play is an entitlement.  He feels threatened.  Aw. 

The folks that benefit from Pay-To-Play are afraid. Afraid they'll lose money.  Afraid that you all are starting to know how they do business.  Afraid of letting down Joe Ferriero and all the politicians that expect big donations from contractors and engineers and lawyers.  They are so afraid, they are actually trying to use the law to make their way of doing business legal everywhere in NJ even though it is ethical NOWHERE. 

Nevermind that it leads to kickbacks and political appointments and people like Heckuvajob Brownie.  Loyalty and $$$ should not ever be a substitute for competence.  Not in government. Not when lives are at stake.  At the anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, I would hope this makes sense to NJ voters. 

Nevermind that it also leads to higher property taxes.  While NJ slips from being the wealthiest state - I would hope people paying their property taxes would not want to pay a lot for a borough professional no bid contract just so that professional can fork over part of that right to the BCDO as a thank you for getting the job. 

Here you have it out in the open and in broad daylight.  Dennis Oury tells us all what he really thinks about Pay-To-Play. 

As an engineer myself - who is an elected official - I am completely against Pay-To-Play.  I know what engineers and lawyers cost - hundreds of dollars an hour.  I donate to political causes in small amounts because I know that large donations corrupt the whole system.  How many more times do you need to hear about contractors getting jobs after giving thousands of dollars of free services and home additions and renovations to local officials?  It's what gets those officials put in jail. 

As the liasson to the building dept in my town, I was appalled to find out when talking to a local contractor that he had done work for our Mayor and offered to do it for free.  I hope the Mayor paid him for that - it just doesn't look good.  I was literally shocked to find out that State Senator Paul Sarlo is actually the hired Borough Engineer for towns AT THE SAME TIME he is a sitting state senator.  Can that be ethical?  I know I wouldn't do it.  Doesn't matter the intent - it isn't a good idea. 

We have to take the money out of politics.  The thing is this - if contractors CAN'T donate more than average citizens do to EITHER party, the playing field gets leveled and it becomes a battle of ideas.  The same people - Dennis Oury, Joe Ferriero, etc who firmly believe in Pay-To-Play are the same folks who look at elections the same way:  that loyalty should be rewarded - the voters be damned.  Who cares that Loretta Weinberg got more votes than Ken Zisa?  Ferriero wanted his boy in.  Period.  End of story. 

Unless NJ voters want the last word. 

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Speaking of Pay to Play: (0.00 / 0)
Gordon Johnson appeared tonite on cablevision show - We've Got Issues speaking about why we should ban Pay To Play.  If someone has video of that - it would be great to post.

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.

The Problem is... (4.00 / 1)
The problem with the current attempts to reform campaign finance are not the intent to remove the potentially corruping influence of special interest money, but the unintended consequences such as the curtailment of constitutional liberties they engender.

Carolh writes above:

"The thing is this - if contractors CAN'T donate more than average citizens do to EITHER party, the playing field gets leveled and it becomes a battle of ideas."

The fallacy of this premise is that the current progeny of Former Governor McGreevey's executive order have the contrary effect of limiting potential government contractors to giving LESS than average citizens.  If a citizen wants to give $500 to help his neighbor or friend who is running for office, few would normally see anything improper.  Under the current system, however, if that same person relies upon government contracts for his livelihood, he cannot give that same contribution without placing his and his family's well being in jeopardy.

As a result, the voice of an individual is silienced (or at least muffled) because putting money into politics may preclude putting food on the table.  This result is undesirable in a country that so values freedom of speech and political participation.


And your point? (0.00 / 0)
I am a consulting engineer.  I donated ten whole dollars to Loretta Weinberg.  I bet you wish my free speech was stifled.  However, here I am, speechifying my support.  $$$ is not free speech.  It's money.  Free speech is free speech.  You argument holds no water. 

I gave up money to be on the Council.  I no longer accept projects in Tenafly.  I have tried to eliminate all conflicts of interest to do this.  Because ethics are important to me and my Borough. 

It seems to me NOT GIVING MONEY under the current system jeopardizes your hypothetical contractor's family. 
The current system of Pay to Play is akin to paying a mobster for "protection".  No donation to the Boss, no work contract. No work, no livelihood.

Clean elections frees everyone and levels the playing field for contractors who are honest and do good work.

You're just afraid to win elections on competence and ideas, and I find that just sad. 

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.


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again carol (0.00 / 0)
you are bringing combativeness to a civil discussion.  bergendem did not level attacks at you and yet you choose to fight.  this is not the 60's, we are trying to govern not "smash the system."

"That we accept the world as it is does not in any sense weaken our desire to change it into what we believe it should be-it is necessary to begin where the world is if we are going to change it to what we think it should be." -Saul Alinsky

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Once again, (0.00 / 0)
you Pay To Play apologists are (sigh) the "victims".  Stop being so precious.  You are bringing our government to its knees. 

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.

[ Parent ]
System needs a little smashing (0.00 / 0)
The current system can use a little smashing.

The status quo will only preserve this corrupt cancer on politics and government in New Jersey. Do you really believe that the political system in New Jersey, courtesy of the likes of Joe Ferriero and Dennis Oury, has not brought shame to us all?


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Legislative exception (4.00 / 1)
Those reading the news and Senator Weinberg's comments should recognize that the legislature, including Senator Weinberg, which passed the "pay-to-play" laws, included a gaping hole in the law. 

While the laws apply to county and municipal candidates and parties, as well as state parties, and candidates for Governor, the laws do not apply to contributions to candidates for the legislature! 

The import of this exceptioin is that Senator Weinberg can support the "pay-to-play" laws with full knowledge that they do not affect her ability to personally raise funds.  Any statement by her or any other member of the legislature should be read with this understanding of the laws and their consequences.


Which is WHY (0.00 / 0)
The LD37 team is participating in the Clean Elections program.  Get it?

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.

[ Parent ]
clean elections program (0.00 / 0)
the problem with the clean elections program is that it is taking democracy out of the hands of the participants and putting it in the hands of the government.  I think that the people should run our politics not the government. 

"That we accept the world as it is does not in any sense weaken our desire to change it into what we believe it should be-it is necessary to begin where the world is if we are going to change it to what we think it should be." -Saul Alinsky

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Which "people" do you mean? (0.00 / 0)
You don't even think the County Committee men and women should have a say in their own Committee.  Based on your previous posts here- it appears by "people" you mean Joe Ferriero and Dennis Oury. 

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.

[ Parent ]
false (0.00 / 0)


"That we accept the world as it is does not in any sense weaken our desire to change it into what we believe it should be-it is necessary to begin where the world is if we are going to change it to what we think it should be." -Saul Alinsky

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I think Mr. Oury (0.00 / 0)
however you may feel about the man, he is making valid points.  we are seeing large organizations and engineering firms get out of government contracting everyday.  these companies are capable of bundling dozens and sometimes hundreds of small contributions from employees and other folks.  the problem is the little guy.  let's just say that your township attorney gives the maximum contribution every year to your campaign.  his monetary investment is no different from someone managing a campaign and then being appointed chief of staff once your candidate is elected.  when we elect people, we elect them for their ideas and we let them rely on their team to implement their agenda.  if all government positions were open for bidding we may not like what we are left with.  it takes a degree of idealistic communion to govern properly and let's face it, there is not all that much money in politics and government compared to the private sector.  do we really want to chase good civic minded folks away from the process? 

"That we accept the world as it is does not in any sense weaken our desire to change it into what we believe it should be-it is necessary to begin where the world is if we are going to change it to what we think it should be." -Saul Alinsky

Electing people for their ideas? (0.00 / 0)
Give me a break.  You are doling out contracts based on fundraising ability, not engineering ability. 

I have nothing against Oury personally.  I simply view him as, shall we say - "ethically challenged".  Karl Rove and Alrberto Gonzales are in hot water for using politics to taint our Judiciary.  Do you see nothing wrong with that?  You are advocating the same thing.

Have you watched the news yesterday?  Do the lessons of Katrina mean nothing to you?  Does Heckuva Job Brownie ring any bells?  The levees were breached and people DIED because of practices of the kind you endorse.

Government positions should be based on experience and merit - just like any job in any well run company is.  Cronyism is NOT the best way to govern.

Allowing politics to interfere in governing is what causes us to look only to the next election and not make the hard long term choices for society like building expensive but necessary levees or infrastructure that will work for our great grandchildren. 

You are so shortsighted.


One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.


[ Parent ]
you're right (4.00 / 2)
You're right, Carol. It should be shocking that Ferriero and Oury would say these things so publicly, but it's not. I've heard plenty of people argue these points in private, but few would do it publicly probably because they still - at some level - understand that what they're arguing for is unethical. Even those in this thread are doing so anonymously. It's hard to respond because it's simply shocking how crass and undemocratic it is.

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What appalled me most (4.00 / 1)
was when I took a class at Rutgers for newly elected officials taught by a Pay To Play attorney who basically tells all his new students how Pay To Play is good - because he gets a lot of borough contracts that way.  He is a big BCDO donor.  I quit that class and intend on taking a different one taught by an honest teacher - not tainted by corruption. These guys are almost like a cult of brainwashed folks participating in a Ponzi scheme. 

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.

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Below a certain $$$ threshold (0.00 / 0)
some things don't need a bid.  The bidding process itself does cost money.  However, three quotes is not unreasonable.  As a former government engineer, I always tried to get AT LEAST three quotes to compare services.  And in the case of engineering and construction, sometimes you want to go with the company that is best at that job - not necessarily the lowest bidder.
That said, it is not ethical to seek a contract after donating large amounts of money to a particular elected official who can choose your firm for a contract.  That is looked at as a form of bribe.  Are you really saying that is OK?

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.

[ Parent ]
Fundamental Issues and Tooth Fairies (4.00 / 1)
Can the taxpayers trust Mr. Oury and Mr. Ferriero? I think not.

The problem with contributions in exchange for contracts is that it perverts the entire public process. The point then becomes not getting the best person or business on behalf of the taxpayers but the best deal for the BCDO and their campaigns.

And this speaks to an even more fundamental issue. What are people like Ferriero and Oury doing making those decisions anyway? They should run campaigns to get Democrats elected and not dictate orders to their handpicked cronies in county and municipal governments to increase their power and feed their greed.

And don't give us that nonsense that the Boss and his consigliere have nothing to do with awarding contracts. Spare that for those who believe in tooth fairies and elves.

All of Ferriero's backroom political chicanery increases the cost of government. And it costs our democracy too because it puts too much power in the hands of political Bosses who make inside deals that almost always benefit themselves and fellow insiders.



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