Presidential Primary Numbers

Cockamamie Numbers (0.00 / 0)

This whole thing seems suspect to me. How is it possible for the former Democratic VP candidate and the Senator from Delaware to be at the same level of support? Is this poll sampling too heavily from far South Jersey?

And how did these numbers get so badly botched earlier today? ARG, inquiring minds want to know!!!

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by: Somewhere In The Swamps @ Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 15:36:20 PM CDT

If Edwards is truly a progressive, then... (0.00 / 0)

...he should drop out of the race and endorse Barack Obama.

Otherwise, it is very likely that he and Obama will split both the progressive and the Anybody But Hillary voters and deliver the Democratic nomination to her.

I think that NJ could be a model for how the race will go in many other states and if in NJ if no other state, Edwards and Obama supporters could begin to work together and coordinate their activities so that their collective efforts could be dedicated towards one or the other, I think that Clinton could be beaten here, which would have a huge impact on the national dynamic, considering the expectation that she will NJ by a very large margin.

A loss here in NJ, especially if she does not win any of the pre-February 5 states, could bring her Presidential campaign to an end.

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by: rachael'sdad @ Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 19:15:09 PM CDT

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I am currently leaning towards Barack Obama, but saying Edwards is not a true progressive unless he drops out now - a year before there is even a primary - is absurd.

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by: Juan Melli @ Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 19:27:41 PM CDT

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Edwards is a faux progressive (0.00 / 0)

Because of the way that so much of what Edwards is saying now is so drastically different from what he was saying in 2004, I have a hard time believing that he is sincere about these positions.  He can position himself as the anti-Bush as much as he wants to with all of his mea culpas, but that doesn't mean that he has changed as much as the times have.

The reason that I say that he could prove his progressivism to me by dropping out is that it would show a greater commitment to the issues for which he is advocating than to his ambition to become President in the same way that Dennis Kucinich proved his lack of sincerity in 2004 when he did not drop out and endorse Howard Dean and also encouraged his supporters in Iowa to caucus with Edwards and not Dean.

Because Edwards and Obama have such similar messages and positions and are as distinctive as they are from Clinton, unless the current dynamic is changed by a late entry from Al Gore, I think that the inevitability of Clinton winning the Democratic nomination is on the verge of becoming a reality.

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by: rachael'sdad @ Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 08:11:44 AM CDT

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I don't agree (0.00 / 0)

what I mean is that I believe the existence of both Obama and Edwards is providing two good alternatives to Hillary Clinton.  I'm not sure they appeal to quite the same people. 

In any case, the fantastic numbers of donors and total money from Obama -- and the impressive numbers from Edwards as well -- is going to put a big dent in the inevitability campaign. 


I have to think of a witty signature about Frank LoBiondo

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by: Hopeful @ Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 17:36:42 PM CDT

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you might be right, but... (0.00 / 0)

...I think that you are wrong.  Their appeal is not duplicative per se, but I think that they have a greater potential of cannibalizing their respective bases of support than they do Clinton's.

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by: rachael'sdad @ Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 22:46:42 PM CDT

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Beyond Absurd (0.00 / 0)

We are ten months ahead of the New Jersey primary. Saying that anyone - in a primary, no less - should drop out of the race because they might act as a 'spoiler' is beyond absurd. There are many more Democrats involved in this primary than just 'progressives' and 'Anybody But Hillary' voters.

You're right that a loss for Hillary here would be a huge hit to her. But suggesting that anyone should get out of the way just because you don't support them is beyond absurd.

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by: Somewhere In The Swamps @ Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 20:35:58 PM CDT

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priorities (0.00 / 0)

I am more opposed to Hillary Clinton than I am supportive of Barack Obama.  In fact, the inevitability factor is making me seriously rethink my prior position on Al Gore.

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by: rachael'sdad @ Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 08:15:00 AM CDT

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I agree with the two above worthies. (0.00 / 0)

John Edwards is bringing sharp issues to the fore. We need him in.

Tex! Get him to NJ!

The nom de plume has a long and distinguished history.

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by: Tandalayo Scheisskopf @ Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 21:01:20 PM CDT

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