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Corzine and Marriage Equality: Then and Now

by: Juan Melli

Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 01:10:40 AM EDT



During a phone call organized by Garden State Equality two weeks ago in which over 100 activists participated, Jon Corzine said that "if gay couples win the lawsuit in New Jersey, there will be marriage equality in New Jersey, and the world will have to live with it." Steven Goldstein was co-manager for Corzine's 2000 Senate campaign and says that Corzine understood the difference between civil unions and marriage equality and supported marriage equality.


But according to the New York Times it seems he may have changed his tune:

"But Mr. Corzine said on Thursday afternoon in an interview that he had "advocated on a consistent basis for civil unions." He said that he would sign a bill allowing gay marriage, but "it's not my preference."

...

A review of a dozens of newspaper articles about Mr. Corzine's Senate campaign in 2000 turned up 10 that stated flatly he supported gay marriage. He is not quoted directly, however; he is simply described as supporting gay marriage during debates and on the campaign trail. Other articles from 2000 cite Mr. Corzine’s support for civil unions.

...

"It seems that some folks are confusing his opposition to a federal amendment to the Constitution banning gay marriage with support for gay marriage," [Corzine spokesman Anthony] Coley said. "The two are not the same. During his run for the Senate in 2000, Jon Corzine was for civil unions, and that remains his preference today."
Let's see...
New York Times, May 21, 2000

SECTION: Section 14NJ; Page 2; Column 5; New Jersey Weekly Desk

HEADLINE: Gay Voters May See Daylight With Florio Running to Right

BYLINE:  By David M. Halbfinger; David M. Halbfinger is Trenton bureau chief for The New York Times.

DATELINE: TRENTON


And last Tuesday night, in their third debate, Mr. Florio pointedly said that he opposed gay marriages.


"This is one of those issues on which Jon and I disagree directly," he said, in response to a question from an audience member at a synagogue in Livingston. "Maybe it's generational, or whatever it happens to be, I just do not think that marriage is able to be certified between two people of the same sex."

....

In truth, the gap between Mr. Florio and Mr. Corzine on gay marriage is so subtle as to sound indistinguishable. In essence, Mr. Florio supports private contracts that would extend the legal benefits of marriage to same-sex couples. He just would not permit the state to grant two men or two women a marriage license. Mr. Corzine would go that extra but, in some eyes, inconsequential step."

Nope. Nothing about a constitutional amendment there. In fact the New York Times went into great detail to explain the differences between the two candidates. Florio supported the rights of marriage but not the word "marriage" while Corzine supported the rights of marriage and the word "marriage". It's pretty straightforward, and if Corzine's position was the same as it is now, he and Florio would have been in complete agreement, and there would have been no need for such a detailed deliniation of their differences.


It's hard to know exactly what's going on here...or maybe not. Politicians frequently get pushed around by advisors and consultants who think they know better. Even those with strong convictions can be swayed by predictions of gloom and doom. Frequently, the advice comes from those who don't understand the power of leadership, think politics is a zero sum game, and clumsily project their DC conventional wisdom onto New Jersey. We've seen examples of that at all levels recently here in New Jersey.


On the other hand, maybe Steven Goldstein is lying, and maybe I and everyone else misheard Corzine during that call, and all the reporters misunderstood Corzine's position over a span of several months back in 2000, and Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.

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Is there a recording of the call??????? (0.00 / 0)


Leaders lead (0.00 / 0)
Lame politicians get pushed around by advisors and consultants who think they know better. True leaders remind those consultants who's in charge, and do the right thing.

Governor - don't be a flip-flopper when you can be a profile in courage.


Uphill battle (4.00 / 1)
I don't know what Jon Corzine is thinking, or has thought in the past

I can assue all of BlueJersey, though, that getting the word 'marriage' for same-sex couples is the battle our legislature is most wanting to avoid.

The Supreme Court has given us everything except the one thing that makes the rest truly valuable. That they have left to the Legislature and the Governor, knowing that it is truly the golden ring.

Already the noses have been counted -- maybe they should be counting necks. Back in the day, we used to refer to people who had no courage as being 'no necks,' as in, 'haven't got a neck to stick out if they wanted to.'

In one way, in my humble opinion, it is better that the court did this -- if we can educate on the one hand and shame on the other the legislature into doing the right thing, the legitimacy of same sex marriage is then above reproach. The people have been heard, albeit though their elected representatives.

So ... there are multiple ways to make yourself know, starting today, in the halls of Trenton. Garden State Equality is running a sign the petition campaign at their website. The New Jersey Lesbian and Gay Coalition is running an e-mail campaign at theirs. Do both!

http://www.njlgc.org
http://www.gardensta...

NO kidding. This is going to be an uphill battle. Progressive New Jerseyans may find this issue the litmus test by which you shall know your true Democratic frineds come next November. Let your representatives know that -- that their re-election is probably going to hinge, either way, on where they stand on this issue. Why not be a winner for equality, come what may?


I worked for the Florio campaign... (4.00 / 1)
...in 2000, was at the candidates forum in Livingston, and was deeply disappointed by the glee expressed by my colleagues when the marriage equality question was asked.  Later that evening, I almost got myself fired when I got into a very visible and very vocal argument with some of the campaign's higher-ups during a post-forum dinner at Iberia in Newark.

In hindsight, I should have quit at that moment, but I believed in Jim Florio, did not believe in Jon Corzine and his money, and, being one of the few people on the campaign who was there to work for Jim Florio, as opposed to the rest of the George Norcross acolytes on the campaign staff, I knew that the strategy was not his.

Despite the fact that neither Corzine's "support" for marriage equality nor Florio's "opposition" to it were significant parts of either candidate's platform, because Corzine was on the verge of outspending Florio $32 million to $2 million and was surging in the polls, Florio's advisors tried to push the marriage equality issue in a desperate attempt to frame Corzine as too left of center to be electable in the center-right state that New Jersey was perceived to be at the time.

That said, Corzine's support for marriage equality was a position that he took very early in the race and has consistently rolled it backwards ever since.  There is no doubt in my mind that he and Dick Codey will do everything that they can to make sure that the legislative remedy that passes isn't anything more than the bare minimum that the Supreme Court decision demanded.

However, I do not believe that if there are 22 votes to be had in the State Senate in favor of full marriage equality that Codey will keep it from going to the floor for a vote or that Corzine would veto such legislation if it made it to his desk.

I think that our best hope in the State Senate is the Majority Leader, Bernard Kenny, who will need to deliver these 22 votes if he wants the progressive and LGBTI communities in NJ and nationwide to remain neutral next year when he is being challenged in a primary by Assemblyman Brian Stack, one of the initial sponsors of this legislation in the Assembly.


Next Steps.... (4.00 / 1)
Dennis says,  "In one way, in my humble opinion, it is better that the court did this -- if we can educate on the one hand and shame on the other the legislature into doing the right thing, the legitimacy of same sex marriage is then above reproach...."

That sums it up ncely.

However the choke point isn't next Novenber, but rather the Primary filing dates.  That's where the leverage will be.

Further, as I've said elsewhere on this site this issue alone, as compelling as it is, is not a whole platform.  That is what will be needed to transform NJ politics; a wholistic approach.

When we are divided, we are conquered. When we are afraid, we are conquered.

It's NOT weak, or sentimental, ao pollyannish, or naive to appeal to the electorates heart and soul as well as to their intellect, common sense, and common/self interest.

The opposition claims they are about "family values".  That's a shameful lie.  That lie can, and must be demonstrated/proven to be just that...a lie.  The opposition to SSM is based on fear, bigotry, and political exploitation of the "values" voters by cynical bastards who have all manner of other agendas from raping the environment to unbridled development to weakening consumer protection laws/enforcement.

Our opposition would paint us as meterialistic, godless, hedonistic, selfish monsters.  The irony is that it is prcisely those elements that characterize the foundations of the Bush Republican party.  The level of sheer hypocrysy on their part approaches infinty.

The truth is that our progressive agenda is, in fact, morally righteous. We have to be about proving and communicating that truth to the people of New Jersey!



I haven't posted in a long time here (0.00 / 0)
Juan Melli's wonderful post yesterday brought me back.
I admit I was the original pessimist against Corzine and Menendez early on regarding gay issues and took heat for it from fellow progressives.

We need to tell these candidates loud and clear they will not get our votes if they sell out our ideals.  I will not vote against my family's best interest ever again.  I am tired of having to balance my personal life and the direct impacts of second class citizenship against the need for Democratic majorities.

I am so glad Steve Goldstein is taking them to task.  I had lost hope in Garden State Equality, now I am almost ready to sign back up.


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