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Difficult Prospects for a Marriage Equality Bill Are a Call for Grassroots Support

by: Bill Orr

Tue Jan 10, 2012 at 10:15:00 AM EST



Success for the re-introduced Marriage Equality bill will be difficult and will necessitate significant grassroots support. This time around Garden State Equality will have less staff and resources to coordinate activities than it had during the lame duck session in 2010. The Catholic Church hierarchy and  social conservative opponents remain implacable, and legislators can be fickle. However, with NY's recent victory and stronger support now from legislators (and their leaders) there is reason to hope. There is also reason to be concerned.  

What can happen? In the ideal scenario it passes with a veto-proof majority in both houses and become the law in spite of Governor Christie's opposition.  In another scenario it passes without a veto proof majority and can then be vetoed or signed into law by the governor. In a really bad scenario it can fail in one or more houses of the legislature. In terms of the overall M. E. objective, inextricably connected are the Garden State Equality / Lamda Legal lawsuit currently in the lower court, a similar federal lawsuit which originated in San Francisco, a possible vote on the part of New Jerseyans, and a possible federal law.

More on the key scenarios and other options for ME in NJ below the fold.

Bill Orr :: Difficult Prospects for a Marriage Equality Bill Are a Call for Grassroots Support
First a little recent history.  During the early 2010 Corzine lame duck period the issue was hotly debated in the Senate. There 21 votes were needed for passage of the M.E. bill (S1967), but only 14 of 40 Senators (35%) voted in favor, including the lone and long-gone Republican Bill Baroni. During the roll call these Democrats were present on the floor but refused to vote: Beach, Sweeney, and Sarlo. These Democrats voted against the bill: Girgenti, Madden, Rice, Sacco, Turner, and Van Drew. In the Assembly had the leaders felt there was a possibility to reach the 41 votes need for passage, they probably would have introduced the bill, but the bill was never brought to committee vote nor to the floor.

Now regarding the first scenario. As a result of the November elections the Democrats' edge in the Assembly will increase to 48-32, while their majority in the Senate will remain 24-16. Counting votes on the most sensitive issues is always difficult at best. However, there is certainly no indication that a veto-proof majority, 27 in the Senate and 54 in the Assembly, will be reached. To achieve the ideal scenario, assuming all Democrats voted in favor (unlikely in view of  the 2010 Democrats' voting results), would require three Republican Senators and six Republican Assemblypersons to vote favorably. Alternately, for each Democrat who is opposed there would have to be an additional favorable vote from a Republican. Given the penchant for Republicans to vote as their governor dictates, and given the 2010 single Republican favorable vote, the bar for this scenario is too high.

The second scenario - achieving a majority vote in both houses is more likely but still not a slam-dunk, as recent enthusiastic supporter Sen President Sweeney now implies. In the Senate the vote would have to increase from 2010's total of 14 supporters to 21, but we already know that some prior opponents are reconsidering. There are 24 Democrats in the Senate, so three defections could keep the vote positive. With no past voting history on M.E. it's harder to tell about the Assembly, but with 41 votes required for the majority and with 48 Democrats, up to seven defections would still allow a victory. Assembly Speaker Oliver is supportive. This scenario is certainly possible and would be a victory. It would help the effort forward, even in the likely case that Christie uses his pen to veto it. Christie has been consistently opposed to M.E. and a change of mind would gain him no advantage in Republican party circles.

There are other approaches that could lead to Marriage Equality in NJ. The current GSE/LL suit in Trenton State Court quite possibly will be viewed favorably at the Superior Court level, be contested, and at some point arrive in our Supreme Court. Its odds of passage there are probably less than 50-50 because by then Governor Christie will have had an opportunity to fill at least two seats with judges less likely to be favorably disposed. The fate of the federal case originating in San Francisco will likely end up in the Supreme Court where with its current members its fate would probably rest on one swing vote. An "Initiative and Referendum" system as in other states does not exist in New Jersey. For the public to vote on amending the NJ Constitution is cumbersome requiring first either that in a single session three-fifths of both houses concur or that in each of two separate sessions a majority in both houses concur. Finally, I wouldn't hold my breath regarding federal M.E. legislation passing in either the current or next session, not only because of Congress' dysfunction and Republican obstructionism but also because while President Obama's position may be "evolving" as he says, he remains an unenthusiastic M.E. proponent.  

Yet another scenario is that although the bill is being introduced (listed as A1 and S1 in the new session), it may never be marked up for vote. Legislative leaders seldom call for a floor vote if they do not have a majority, and without a majority another negative vote would be damaging for NJ M.E. prospects in general and feed into a discouraging State Supreme Court ruling. Without assurance of passage in both houses, the best legislative strategy would be to await a new supportive governor.

Although Sen. Sweeney says, the fight is now with Governor Christie, let's not kid ourselves. The first battle is in the legislature. Proponents are correctly positioning M. E. as a civil rights issue but opponents continue to view it as religious and social evil. For the present only the strongest grassroots effort - a prodding particularly of legislators on the fence - will assure a majority vote in the legislature.  

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we're winning (4.00 / 2)
no one understands the fierce urgency of NOW better than I do, but repeated failure is a non-negotiable component to success.  We've only failed once.  We'll probably fail again.  We might even fail a 3rd time (like they did in NY) but we'll get it eventually.  In the meantime, we get to watch Democrats behaving like democrats and leaders behaving like leaders.  And we're driving the debate.

And as an added inducement, we get to watch moderate GOPers prove they're not handmaidens.  

This already feels like a win to me.

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I differ in one respects (4.00 / 1)
The headline and lead, i.e. success for the re-introduced Marriage Equality bill will be difficult and will necessitate significant grassroots support.  Bill, you clarify this later in your piece, but the prospects for passage pre-veto are neither difficult nor easy.  Nothing on a big issue is ever easy, and we can never be complacent.  But if we work hard together, we'll pass the bill - and as you go on to say, that in itself is a victory.  Though for certain we would then try for an override.  One step at a time.

 


the link saying "roll call" is temporarily (0.00 / 0)
disabled.  i wanted to see with my own eyes if jim whelan voted for bills passage in 2010.  i can assume he did.  listen, he's my state senator and he never misses an opportunity to post on fb.  why isn't he urging approval and support for sweeney and others right this very instant?  and i learned something new today...van drew was against it.  now for all my faults, had i been in the legislature ... in other words had i prevailed this past spring in the primary, then in general.........i'd be celebrating this initiative, come what may in my district

"the black sheep can wear the golden fleece and hold a winning hand" Tim Hardin

Jim Whelan voted yes (4.00 / 2)
He was the only senator from South Jersey to do so.

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...

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that's good. (0.00 / 0)
now he ought to campaign for the bill.  it's a win-win for everybody. i hope he gets out front, but i don't think he will. it's a little weird in this district. i don't know any other way to describe it.  

"the black sheep can wear the golden fleece and hold a winning hand" Tim Hardin

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I am very familiar with the 2nd district (0.00 / 0)
And marriage equality was not an issue that was a deciding factor in the 2011 elections (I can't think of any district where it was) in light of all the economic problems that people are facing.

I don't want to go into any further details on a public forum but you are free to contact me privately if you want to know more.

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...


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if you're familiar with the 2nd (0.00 / 0)
keep an eye out for me because i'm running for congress and i'd make marriage equality an issue, and immigration amnesty too.  but you are so right about the economy which is why i'll stick to single payer and how to pay for it and spread the cost.  and i'll check your blog tomorrow but i just walked in the door and heading to tv to watch the disappointing results in new hampshire.  obama will mop the floor with romney in the fall and an opportunity for historic debates will be lost.  i believe that.  obama vs santorum would have been one for the history books.

"the black sheep can wear the golden fleece and hold a winning hand" Tim Hardin

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I know about your campaign (0.00 / 0)
And you ran as a write-in last year for Assembly too.  Everyone I know in the 2nd very familiar with you, but the last time I was in south Jersey (tonight) your name did not come up much.  

My blog is badly neglected now but if you want to contact me privately please let me know.  

If you plan on being taken seriously as a contender for a congressional race, I would take the advice that Rosi gave you and start meeting with the county Democratic parties in the 2nd congressional district (I am really only familiar with the 2nd legislative district) and the key municipal chairs and get some endorsements.  

I sincerely do wish you luck, but you really need to reach out to the people who will help you win a race.

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...


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very kind, 31. (0.00 / 0)
the folks here on Blue Jersey are involved with the northern part of the state and wouldn't realize that yes, my name is out there.  Not sure if it's in a way that's in my best interests, if we're talking about local Democrats, but Republicans down here can't be too afraid of me, THEY know at least that I'm genuine and know why I switched party affiliation.  And I've worked hard using local conservative talk radio to make my views known and I do just fine ... even talking about Single Payer lately on the radio.

And finally I have somebody with some political organizing skills willing to help me and we'll see what happens.  I'm just a fed up average Joe that stumbled on scene for reasons too complicated to get into here.  BTW, I have reached out to Pat D"Arcy, the Atlantic County Democratic Chairman several times, sat and yucked it up about LoBiondo, but he's totally unwilling to help.  Here's a fact.  He's not sure if I'm a registered Democrat if you can believe that!  Not unusual, I have other stories. Thanks again and I'm going to your link right now ..... and I will definitely get more organized and reach out to local dem. groups this spring.

"the black sheep can wear the golden fleece and hold a winning hand" Tim Hardin


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You are right on, tabbycat31! (0.00 / 0)
It turns out that most people in conservative districts are ambivalent. In my interview with a Democratic New York State senator from a conservative district, he told me that marriage equality was not an issue in his successful 2010 re-election campaign.

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