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The Push to Kill Our Schools

by: Thurman Hart

Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 08:13:02 AM EDT



Get ready, New Jersey, the battle of school vouchers is coming to a town near you.

The Star-Ledger reports:

School voucher advocates plan today to file a class-action lawsuit against the state and at least two dozen school districts in the first major legal effort to bring the hotly contested use of vouchers to New Jersey.

The lawsuit, Crawford v. Davy, will be filed in state Superior Court in Newark, they said, and will demand that the state and districts provide families of 60,000 children in 96 "failing schools" the right -- and the money -- to attend other schools of their choice, public or private.

Of course, all the right sounds are being made - this is not about funding religious education, it's about helping kids; why don't poor kids have the same opportunities as rich kids; why is it disproportionately racial minority children that get poor educations, etc., etc., etc.

Thurman Hart :: The Push to Kill Our Schools
Balancedpolitics.org has a decent summary of arguments both for and against vouchers.  To be honest, I see both sides of the argument - but I have to come down firmly against vouchers.

It is a travesty that at this point in history we still do not place sufficient priority on educating every child.  It is a travesty that certain schools, time and time again, fail their students.  It is the greatest travesty of all that those students who are failed are generally both poor and a member of a racial minority group.  It isn't difficult to understand why a parent would want to send their child to some other school, in some other neighborhood, by any means possible to give them the head-start in life that education promises.

But the arguments for vouchers can very simply be met with common sense reform and accountability.  By "accountability" I don't mean yanking money away from schools because the students didn't pass a statewide test.  I mean personal accountability from the superintendant down to the teachers in the classroom. 

If a school continues to perform badly, then it is the entire purpose of the school administration to reform that school.  That this does not happen is an argument for firing administrators, nothing else.  Yes, there are many legitimate problems to be overcome and no one can make a perfect school by snapping their fingers.  But the administration can provide an atmosphere in the school that is dedicated to learning. 

But the arguments against vouchers cannot so simply be overcome.  The state is bound to provide a system of education for every child.  How is allowing money to be taken out of that system for private education going to help the system?  What system ever worked better because it was starved of funds?  Yes, a few students who use vouchers may get a better education - but what of the thousands who don't use vouchers?  What will happen to their education?

This is all the more compelling in New Jersey because of the significance of the Abbott districts.  If 100 students are allowed to take vouchers for $2000 per year out of an Abbott school, that represents a loss of $200,000 - the salary of at least four teachers with high levels of tenure and education.  That money will have to be made up in order to keep those teachers.  From where will that money come?  The Abbott cow is quickly running dry.

Of course, the biggest problem that cannot be overcome is that the largest beneficiary of vouchers is not students, but religious organizations.  In the landmark US Supreme Court decision of Lemon v. Kurtz, the Court laid down very clear guidelines about the state giving money to religiously based schools.  Not the least of the rules was the stipulation that the use of state funds could not lead to unnecessary intanglement of church and state.

If the state gives a voucher to allow a child to attend religious school, then the state bears the brunt of ensuring that education is up to standards.  That means that the entire system of administration that currently exists in secular public schools would have to be duplicated within religious schools.  Voucher money, for instance, could be used to buy chalk for the teacher to teach mathematics, but not to teach any religious subject.  That would require the school to set up a dual purchasing system and to track each piece of chalk.  Mrs. Smith couldn't borrow chalk from Mr. Finklestein because that would constitute a violation of the Lemon ruling.

Let us not forget, as well, that almost every place that has attempted to allow vouchers has had their system struck down by the courts.  This is the reason why.  Entangling the structure of government with the structure of religion is always detrimental to them both.  The church quickly becomes dependent on the state for its financial existence, and the state becomes dependent on the church for delivering popular support of its policies.  That creates a system where votes are, de facto, purchased through the church.

But let us not forget where I began this discussion - that the pro-voucher groups have legitimate arguments that must be addressed.  It is no victory to overwhelm the voucher movement if, in the process, yet another generation of children are abandoned to poverty and ignorance.  If anything, it would be a greater moral failure than to sit by and let the vouchers destroy the rest of the system.  All of our children deserve an education.  All of us owe that education to them.

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The debate aint about vouchers (0.00 / 0)
And that's the problem.  We all bring to this table things that don't belong there.  On the 'blue' side, its the fear, probably warranted that we are increasing the role of religion in the state. 

On the 'red' side, one has to question if they are really looking to help poor students, or if they are trying to break the back of the teacher's union (also school administrators union and educational administrative workers who are unionized) which when you think about it is probably the most powerful arm of the Democratic Party.

Personally, I have no problem with the theory of vouchers.  In fact it sounds great.  In theory.  Government still has a role in setting the standards.  Even the accounting problems you describe with the piece of chalk are not insurmountable at all.  A bookeeper and a office supply cage will do.

I am also enough of a free-market believer to know that schools probably could put out a good product defined loosely as a good education that prepares a student for competitive college, at less than the $10,000 per student it costs my school system. 

While the primary beneficiaries initially would be religious schools, that might change.  I would point out that right now non-public schools are religious because with the current system, who else would bother?  Only religion would motivate enough to have parents pay taxes and then tuition.  But once you opened it up, you could have all sorts of schools springing up.  Blue Jersey School.  We teach all the state-mandated tuff and THEN, from 3:30-5 we teach optioned-in kids about progressive politics.  It could happen.

So what do I worry about?  I worry about Year 5 of the voucher program.  When we start to get lazy, when the Federal and state governments cut down on oversight a bit.  When the companies who start schools lose cash from their initial investor money.  When we have Enron-like scandals with top people looting the schools.  When prices go up, and poor people have only a small choice of "rip-off"  schools to send their kids to.  And when parents who don't care, which is the #1 problem, leave their kids to languish in public schools which are now devoid of any hope and funding.

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I think it becomes more of an accounting problem than you realize.  Take, for example, the issue of busing.  What fraction of busing is done for religious purposes and what part is done for secular purposes?  Money for the voucher would have to be separated from the "busing for religious purpose" account.  The same thing is true for something as simple as paying the electric bill.  You can't use state money to pay the electric bill for the religious studies classroom.  How do you separate that out? 

Traditionally, churches have run schools are part of the religious mission to educate people in order to better understand their faith.  How do you separate that out of the education in things that aren't under that rubric?  How many nuns does it take to teach evolution?  How many science teachers does it take to teach creationism?

There are ways to get around it - but the problem that the Lemon case identified is that any of these solutions would require the state to observe and regulate them.  That's excessive intanglement.

XT


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decisions are to some extent based (0.00 / 0)
on the facts on the ground as they exist now. 

So if almost all private schools are religious now (because as I pointed out, who else could motivate people to pay tuition on top of taxes?) you can make a pretty good legal case that helping private schools is helping religion.  But that is very much rooted in the facts of today.

Once private ed became more prevalant, and if even associations got in the mix given the voucher money - my example of Blue Jersey School - its not clear to me that religion would continue to be the overwhelming percentage of schools.  So I'm not sure how long the Lemon decision will hold.

One way to handle it would be to simply say that 'with this ring, I promise to' no I mean 'with this voucher you promise to provide X, Y and Z.'  We as the government order the contractor to perform the service. We want them reading at this level, writing at that level, knowing science at this level as the state requires science to be taught.  What they do on the rest of the time is their thing.  Pray, hold hands, make music, or learn Progressive Politics, that's up to the school.  And really, the parents.

Government didn't fund religion.  Government educated the child and set standards and rigorusly enforced them.

I would prefer to avoid the busing issue as it raises a whole host of questions.  It's not really the accounting of busing that's a problem, its logistics.  Its the fact that multiple kids in multiple towns would now have multiple schools and how do you get them all from A to Z?  Busing is easy when there's one high school, but what do you do now if 23 schools spring up?

If it were just the accounting..if the government agrees to pay to bus kids to local school.  This is already happening in some places.  And I think a town government that chooses to do this now looks at it as well they would have to be bused to our high school anyway and so dropping them off at Catholic High is not that much additonal trouble, these governments are not saying that 70% of this busing is paid for because only 70%.  If you want to complete the goal of educating the kid, you have to get him to school. 

However, if you went into overhead of the school.  Lights heat, electric, water..  Yeah, there are accounting principles that could be implemented here: 30% religious time, so 30% overhead cost must come from non-voucher revenue.  Ms. Finklestein is a religous teacher so her salary comes out of the RELIGIOUS ED line item which can't be funded by voucher revenue.  While I'll admit a piece of chalk might get recycled, the big costs could be earmarked and taken out of the right funds.

The regulation would be an audit.  When compared to regulations that now exist with government run schools, oversight of this would not be extraordinarily taxing.  I am concerned though about us lazy human beings and how in Year 5 we'd cut the oversight spending.  But that's not to say there couldn't be a mechanism.

 

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As you say, decisions are made by the facts on the ground.  You cannot pass a law under the idea that "someday things will eventually work out to even things out".  That's a recipe for proposing bad laws.

The fact is that very few organizations operate schools.  Those that do tend to be religious.  Giving money to them would be state sponsored support of religious education.

If things change in the future, then things will change.  Until then, we cannot analyze the proposal in any other way.

Also, non-religious organizations are already able to organize charter schools.  From what I can tell, they are no more able to deliver a high-quality education than other schools.  Their gains tend to be over-emphasized by them skimming the highest 10% of students out of existing public schools.  This makes an artificially high level of achievement for charter schools while pushing the average attainment of non-charter schools down.

XT


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Wild speculation should not be used in legal cases (0.00 / 0)
but predictive logic can be used.  The logic that most private schools are religious therefore supporting private schools is supporting religion, because that's the way it is now, is weak logic, and if that's what Lemon is based on, I think it may not be with us that long.

I think it's pretty easy to see why most private schools are religious.  There is a double tuition on those parents, and nothing short of religious devotion would motivate middle-class parents to pay twice for education.  Also religions represent the largets 'pools' of people in our society, and they have the numbers to make a school work.  Once voucher monies were made available to schools, a new market would be created and its reasonable to predict that all sorts of new schools can open up.

Even if one doesn't want to engage in prediction, a pilot or test case for vouchers, should one be allowed in a city or area, would demonstrate if new non-religious schools spring up, perhaps undermining the logic of Lemon. 

The very limited charter system as it exists in NJ is not a great example for what an open market for schools in a voucher system might generate.  It almost mixes the worst of both worlds...a school that seeps money [and brains] out of the public system but not a wide free market of school choices for parents. 

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Why School Vouchers Stink (0.00 / 0)
Today my property tax dollars for schools go directly to the local public school.  This school is overseen by seven people whom I and the other voters in the town have the opportunity -- taken by few -- to elect.  We also have the opportunity, should we dislike the way our tax dollars are being spent, to run for school board ourselves.  If we are not American citizens, we can still attend school board meetings, write letters to the editor, join the PTA, join a community group, work on school board campaigns & etc. to impact how our schools are managed.

If school vouchers are implemented then my tax dollars will be sent to Pingry, Delbarton, etc. and I will no longer have any say in how that money is spent

They could build a field, increase science training, buy Bibles, hire teacher's aides, cut teacher's pay, expand special education, use poisonous chemicals on their lawns, install solar panels, purchase stocks, add to the endowment, air condition the classrooms, paint buildings that don't need it, provide scholarships for poor kids, buy new uniforms for every kid, give every kid a laptop, pay their superintendent a million dollars a year.

Some of those things I might support, some of them I might not.  But my tax dollars will be paying for any of them that is implemented and there will not be one goddamned thing I can do about it.

Republicans always talk about personal responsibility and accountability.  Well, I don't want to give mine up to some snooty private school principal or an unelected Board of Trustees.

The early rallying cry for the American Revolution was, "No Taxation Without Representation."  Republicans should remember that.


But you would have direct control over YOUR voucher. (0.00 / 0)
Wouldn't that be the ultimate in controlling your own tax money. You get to spend the voucher as you see fit. As the comment before you pointed out, a Blue Jersey school could evolve if enough like minded people sent their kids there. Wouldn't that be far better for your tax dollars than worrying about what Delbarton is doing?
I will agree with XT though, the current schools probably could be made to work better with greater accountabilty and oversight. The problem there is accountability usually runs counter to what the union is after, and the NJEA is the most powerful union in the country.
I generally don't support the the way the Abbot money is currently used, what ever they are doing, it does not seem to be making too much of an impact. I really think that money would be better spent in those districts to try and effect cultural change (offer programs to stress the importance of education to parents, try to develop programs which stress parental involvement, etc). My feeling is that students in Abbots do poorly not so much as a direct result of instruction, but generally because their family environments don't foster education.

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

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It would only be direct control of your tax money if the voucher was for the exact same amount that you pay in taxes.  If it was less than you pay, then you only get to control part of your taxes - and why should you not have control of all of it?  If it is more than you pay, then it is control of someone else's taxes.

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people who would qualify for vouchers in Abbott districts would fall into the second category - so they would be taking YOUR tax dollars and putting them into the religious, ideological, or partisan education of THEIR choice.

For an explanation of what's wrong with a certain Abbott district, see this post

XT


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Depending on how legislation is written you should (0.00 / 0)
have a say in standards.  I'd insist it be written that way to support it.

What is required of Edison or Pingry if they want State of New Jersey voucher income?  What is the product they must provide?  They must teach X, Y and Z.  The state could even set curriculm.  That would all remain in control of the government, subject to representation.  If they don't do it, they lose voucher funds.  That simple.

So in the most important area, what is being taught, your State Assembly and Senate have control and you have representation.

In the specifics of spending your point holds.  Right now you feel a sense of control - and we can get into the lack of control anyone has over a school board when 13% of the people vote and much of that employees of the Board of Ed and their sphere of influence -- but right now I'll admit that you have in theory control over specifics of whether the school system paves the parking lot or grass seeds the field this year. 

In terms of the million dollar raise for supers or the cutting of teachers salaries.  I guess I'm enough of a free marketer to say that will take care of itself.  No you can't go to a meeting and complain about it.  But any school that gives its super a million must be taking it from elsewhere.  And any school that pays its teachers little will not keep them long, leaving to a poor product and not many parents wanting to keep them in their school. 

Besides, there can be new regulations down the road.  When this thing were to be unleashed, it might be like the Wild West, but expect that each year the Assembly will pass new regulations like:  Schools with voucher money cannot pay supers more than X. 

 

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What you are describing is a de facto subsuming of private education into the public education system.  It would constitute state control of religious institutions and a direct violation of the first amendment.

As far as the free market taking care of administrator's salaries - there's absolutely no indication that any sort of control has been implemented by the market, and much to indicate that there is a classic market failure. 

If further laws are necessary to make it work, then it is the very definition of a bad idea.

XT


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Not a violation of 1st amendment (0.00 / 0)
They want the voucher money, then they are entering into agreement with the state to peform a service, just like the Edison School and the Blue Jersey School.  They must conform to the education rules. 

If they don't want voucher money, the State orders them to do nothing. 

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Why not restrict vouchers to be used in public schools only? (0.00 / 0)
New Jersey's public schools are so segregated by race and class, why not restrict the use of vouchers to send students to other public school districts?

As I've written before, I'd love to see the face on some yuppie parents in Millburn or Westfield if students from Newark or my home town started sharing classes with their kids.


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This is probably the most interesting argument I've heard.

XT


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I'm a liberal vouchers convert (0.00 / 0)
One strong argument for vouchers is that it will help ovecome one of the biggest obstacles to revitalizing NJ cities.  Currenlty cities have no middle class.  They have rich gentrified areas and ghettos.  Currently middle class people who enjoy the urban lifestyle and are willing to be urban pioneers have to leave cities as soon as their kids reach school age.  They can't afford private school and will not send their kids to failing schools.  Vouchers would allow them to send their kids to any of the public shools in the surrounding bedroom communities or to the local Friends School or whatever. 

The biggest problem with failing abbot disctricts is not per pupil spending, we fixed that. It is NJ's high levels of segregation, concentrated proverty, and lack of role models.  Vouchers can allow cities to build a stable middle class again.  In time, a stable middle class that desegregates urban NJ is also what is necessary to change failing school districts and a host of other social ills.

One last point, any solution to fixing failing school districts will still work just as well regardless of vouchers.  Just because we allow some kids to escape the ghetto right now doesn't mean that we can't still apply the suite of reforms you mention. 


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I would protest your assertion that anything to do with schools would create a solid middle class.  A middle class is not built on which school your kid goes to, it's built on the income available to the parents who work.  Vouchers aren't going to change that. 

I've attended poor schools and found them perfectly able to provide a quality education - though it is always more challenging to do something without money than it is to do it with money.

The vouchers, as is currently proposed, would not allow them to send them to a neighboring city to attend public school.  Nor would there be any need to do so - schools are compensated based on average attendance.  The ability to send a child to a preferred school can be accomplished without vouchers at all.  You simply tell people they can send their kid to any school to which they can transport them.
XT


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Texan,

You missed my point.  I'm saying that vouchers will allow people who are already middle class to live in cities.  Currently middle class people with familes can't live in NJ cities because they don't want to send thier kids to the lousy public schools.  The urban renewal that has been happening in NJ cities like New Brunswick, Hoboken, and other places is all young people with no kids (who get married and move to the suburbs for good public schools), rich people who can afford private school, and poor people who have no choice.

The result is that living in urban NJ is still not a viable choice for most New Jerseyans and is a big problem.  For example, my wife and I live in New Brunswick and we will have to move to Highland Park when our kids hit school age.  Highland Park is filled with people like me who would love to stay in the actual city but won't due to the school.  It is a huge driver of segregation.

Now, regarding the details of the vouchers proposal in NJ, I don't know any of the details.  Where can I find out?  The article said one could go to another school, public or private.  If you can't go to a school in another municipality, what is the point? 


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Way to go, Eagleton96 (0.00 / 0)
Eagleton96, many counties have turned their old Vo-Techs into schools that provide fantastic training in a myriad of careers that will help kids even if they are college-bound.  Also, look at the success of McNair Academic HS in Jersey City.  The school is ranked as one of the best in the state because it has a strict admissions policy akin to a private school, yet it is a free public school.

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magnet schools (0.00 / 0)
Contrarian,

If what you are describing is a magnet shcool, yes, that would be great.  But magnet schools take time and money, and you have to have the kids in the district to fill them up and make them good.  Conversely, there is often limited space.  Some more choice for people like my wife and I, who want to stay in New Brunswick but don't see the prospect of major school reform on the horizon, would allow us to stay in the city. Having people like us in the city increases the pressure for, and viability of, major school reform.

I accpet a lot of the big picture arguments against vouchers that many of you have made.  But I'm telling you that I personally know a lot of middle class people that moved out of cities that they wanted to make their homes when they had kids.  And the schools were 100% of the reason why, and vouchers would bring many of them back.  And having a stable educated middle class owning homes and raisng kids in NJ's cities would be wonderful thing on so many levels. 


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To me, liberals should have many reasons to (0.00 / 0)
support vouchers.  The key problem is that it destroys the strongest, most vibrant union in the Democratic coalition and that is no laughing matter, it's not just arbitrary politics - that is really something to consider.  Would Democrats lose in states without the teachers union?  And would that lead to other bad things? 

But putting that aside, I can see lots of benefits from introducing free market concepts to edcuation, so long as the State of New Jersey remains the purchasor of services, the setter of standards, and the regulator that it's being done.

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at the risk of sounding like a right wing nut job... (0.00 / 0)
The very idea of vouchers is that competition leads to greater efficiency and better results.  The real problem with vouchers, that has not been addressed here, is that while they may help diversify schools in regard to race, the new segregation will still be class based.  Does everyone get vouchers?  What if some schools just outperform others because of better administration? What if these schools just cannot handle the volume of children who want to go to that school? Are people who are well connected or able to afford tutors (should they decide to admit through testing or grades) going to be more likley to get into that choice school?  Even if it's done randomly, won't all the poor kids or kids where both parents have to work to put dinner on the table be left behind in the schools that are within walking distance?  There are fundamental socio-economic and class issues that vouchers may make worse.

Ok, so here's the right wing nut job part.  Why not just go full out private?  There seems to be a general consensus that competition is good.  Why not have school boards take bids every 5 years and contract the admininstration of schools to private companies?  The state can fully regulate, just as they do private schools now.  Maybe voters can even vote on which contract is the lowest responsible bidder themselves, get rid of individual school boards and just have a state board that sets standards and audits.  Further, urban schools are likely to get the best bids and companies bidding on them since the budgets will be so much bigger.  It could really effectuate a culture change in regards to urban education.  It would probably encourage consolodation of school districts too since having bigger schools will make the area more attractive to private companies.  You don't like the job they're doing, don't renew the contract.
Just throwing the idea out there...


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