Jenn Beck Divorces Her Commitment Against Marriage Equality

Here, here (0.00 / 0)

Good stuff. Too little, too late, Jen.

http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com

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by: Jersey Jazzman @ Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 03:22:57 AM UTC

But really.... (0.00 / 0)

Isn't that what our "representatives" are supposed to do?  If the makeup of a district changes shouldn't the representative be willing to "modify" their position to more accurately voice the will of their constituents.

I know their are many agendas surrounding Sen Beck, and her opponent, but maybe this should not be the main one.

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by: sandy23 @ Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 15:52:23 PM UTC

So if her constituents were racists... (0.00 / 0)

should she side with THOSE bigots too?

Bigotry is not acceptable no matter who your constituents might be.

Using "But her constituents are bigots so she should be too" (loose interpretation of your question, I know, but accurate to the essence) is a pathetic excuse for ignorance and serving her constituents hateful ignorance in supporting the denial of equal rights and the promotion of bigotry, she didn't do her constituents nor the state any favors and her flip-flopping only clarifies that she is nothing but a "Anything to get elected" hack.

Another self-serving politician who doesn't understand what "Civil Service" means.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.

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by: Couch Potato Politics @ Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 17:50:40 PM UTC

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Equality (4.00 / 1)

For whatever reason she changed her mind, or got pushed into changing her mind, I'm glad she's in our column.

But sandy23, what I might say to your point is that equality is equality. If same-sex couples have the right to marry in LD-37 (Weinberg's district) they have the right to marry in LD-12 (Beck's).  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

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by: Rosi Efthim @ Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 19:45:53 PM UTC

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Beck was for ME before she voted against it... twice (4.00 / 2)

As I recall, it was common knowledge that she supported ME until Chris Christie won the election and she, as well as Kip Batemen and perhaps one or two other Republicans folded to the the King.

I still remember her scarcely audible "NO" vote without comment in the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Now she is running scared and NEEDS the "gay" vote in her new district. It's a little obvious how disingenuous she appears, and perhaps Christie for allowing her such independence, but this looks like pure expedient politics.

I'm surprised at how forgiving some Democrats are of Republicans who change their minds for pure political reasons while belaboring Democrats like Rob Andrews who might have changed his position on a "progressive" matter because of direct and effective education.

My 2 cents


"Discrimination caused by ignorance and fear is a tax on human progress" - Barbra Casbar Siperstein

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by: Babs NJSD @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 06:32:12 AM UTC

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This is why so many people don't trust... (0.00 / 0)

...or believe politicians when they move their lips. Until they're held to account, they'll never change their weather vane behavior regardless of which party they belong to. Is it too much to ask that we hold elected officials to a higher standard? I suppose it is since so many are so quick to forgive and forget.

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by: Alex @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:10:24 PM UTC

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How does she think? (0.00 / 0)

This sort of flip-flopping really makes me wonder just how people like Sen. Beck think about issues, assuming they do at all. Is her position dictated by political expediency? Then sheson is lacking in principles and intellectual independence. Is her position change determined strictly by what her constituents think? Then why not just take a poll or, better yet, do away with representative democracy altogether and have a system of direct democracy? Is she capable of understanding that some matters transcend popularity contests and are, quite simply, matters of what is just in a civil society in all of New Jersey? The fact that she can waffle as much as she does says quite a lot.

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by: Alex @ Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 20:02:18 PM UTC

Not comfortable with getting personal (0.00 / 0)

First, let me say how much I love Ed Zipprich, an effective a local official as exists anywhere in America.

But I think commenting on a public official's being "engaged to be married a second time" is too personal.  No need to go there - we have many good arguments for marriage equality based on substance.  There are also other arguments showing our opponents' hypocrisy that do not rely on getting personal.  

Just my thoughts - and I expect very divergent responses to this.

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by: Steven Goldstein, Garden State Equality chair @ Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 21:08:24 PM UTC

Battle Tested and Smart (0.00 / 1)

Everyone on this site who constantly spews venom should read and listen to what you say.

Politics is about winning.

You went through hell the last time ME came up and you lost. But you trashed no one! You Were angry but you "stayed in the game" and now , hopefully ,things will go your way.

You were smart. You mended fences and kept up the battle. Politics is often a dirty game that can bring fulfilling results. Bumps and bruises come with the battle.

CWA ,NJEA ,and many on this site should follow your example.

IT IS ALL ABOUT WINNING THE FIGHT!

Good luck with ME and in any small way I will be happy to sing your praises ( on this site that may be a bad thing!)  

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by: firstamend07 @ Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 22:16:24 PM UTC

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Agreed (0.00 / 0)

when i saw Jen for the first time after getting engaged, i was tempted to let the bitterness get the best of me, especially when i saw how happy and in love she obviously was.  It was moments after the anti-bullying bill sailed through the Senate.  I was in a heavenly mood so I decided to be happy for her.

That said, it really sucks that she sold out the gay community for political purposes.  Her gay friends and constituents remain unimpressed with her profile in cowardice the two times she voted to marginalize us.  But times heals all wounds.  And so does the realization that we (gays) need A LOT of people who voted NO to change their votes next time.  

activist for hire.

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by: Jay Lassiter @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 11:33:00 AM UTC

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Who left the troll cage open? (1.00 / 1)

Just saying.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.

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by: Couch Potato Politics @ Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 22:48:36 PM UTC

Ban Me . (0.00 / 0)

Once again you add very little ,except personal attacks.

If you are a  "typical " progressive, then that is a group that is in deep trouble.

You have tried to be the judge and jury on this site and you have been rejected.

Try to comment on my comment and stop with the juvenile personal attacks.

You embarrass the site and yourself.  

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by: firstamend07 @ Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 23:55:18 PM UTC

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You opened the door (0.00 / 0)

... when you turned the subject of fighting for LGBT rights into an attack on public workers union.
That is "Trolling".

It is going to be a hard enough fight without you muddying the waters to make your points for Sweeney and Norcross.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.

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by: Couch Potato Politics @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 00:39:32 AM UTC

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Judge and Jury (0.00 / 0)

Your rant against everything I post is getting old ,and quite frankly childish.

I praised Mr. Goldstein.

Your arm chair form of " progressive " politics is nothing more than Tea Party attacks from the left.

Time for you to understand that there are two sides to every issue. Respect others opinions and maybe you will have some credibility.  

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by: firstamend07 @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:14:33 AM UTC

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Once again, firstamend07 ... (0.00 / 0)

You have no credibility on the subject of Sweeney and the powers behind him. I think someone pointing out that you try to hijack a thread about something else to serve the person you shill for here - and criticize his detractors -  is entirely in-bounds.

That doesn't make you wrong in your opinions, but it does make reasonable people question your motive. Your "praise" of Steven notwithstanding, don't equate what someone says on this forum whether you like its tone or not, with the impact of a decision that Sweeney made to abstain on a vote he was counted on as the Senate President to make - either way. The former is an attitude that rankles just you, the latter a legislative decision that affected thousands of people's lives directly. If Sweeney has changed his mind, for whatever reason - including political expedience - then, fine. That's an action too, and he's welcome on equality's side of the fence.


It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

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by: Rosi Efthim @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 12:13:46 PM UTC

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Hardley an "Arm-Chair" progresive. (0.00 / 0)

Ask around.
I walk the walk, talk the talk and carry the water...
Your "Arm Chair" accusation of me is as inaccurate as your claims that Sweeney is a "Good" dem or that the "Devils Bargain" the "Christiecrats" just shoved down the throats of hard working middle class civil servants was the best deal.

Besides whining in here that your personal hero is being givien short shriff (as deserved as it is) what have YOU done?

Walked a line for LGBT rights? Workers rights? Better schools? Responsible government? Pone Banked for change? Given your time to anything OTHER than promoting Sweeney's "Christiecrat Agenda"?
I doubt it.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.

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by: Couch Potato Politics @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 15:24:56 PM UTC

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"Friends of Mr. Sweeney" (0.00 / 0)

As some of you know, I had an accident Friday. I fell and mangled both of my knees. And I've had to miss some great stuff because of it, including representing Blue Jersey at last night's Monmouth Dems new media training (more on that later).

Anyway, I'm laid up, and channel-flipping. Came across Friends of Mr. Sweeney, now playing on TCM. Had to laugh:

Yarn about a newspaperman (Charles Ruggle) who acquires the courage to fight crooked politicians.

Yeah, had to laugh.


It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

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by: Rosi Efthim @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 19:05:04 PM UTC

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Get well soon. (0.00 / 0)

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

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by: William Weber (WjcW) @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 19:48:39 PM UTC

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Rosi, refuah shelemah... (0.00 / 0)

i.e. quick healing and get well soon!

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by: Steven Goldstein, Garden State Equality chair @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 21:56:02 PM UTC

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Steven (0.00 / 0)

Whenever you speak Hebrew to me, I want knishes.

But then, I always want knishes.

Thanks for the good wishes, everybody. I'm now walking about 20 feet at a time with a crutch. :-)

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

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by: Rosi Efthim @ Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 00:57:24 AM UTC

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Get well FAST!! (0.00 / 0)

Best wishes, Rosi.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.

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by: Couch Potato Politics @ Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 22:24:13 PM UTC

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