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Ledger Logic

by: Jersey Jazzman

Sat Jun 18, 2011 at 03:07:32 PM EDT



Adam L tells us that Senate President Steve Sweeney is sending out copies of this op-ed by Star-Ledger Editorial Page Editor Tom Moran.

The problem is that Moran's piece is full of illogic, botched facts, and self-contradiction.

Let's start with this:

Inside the Statehouse, within earshot of the rally, senators on the budget committee cast a vote that amounted to a punch in the gut. Public workers would pay more for less, bringing their health and pension benefits back to earth.

Wow - those benefits must be outrageous! We should cheer that we're getting these fat-cat public employees back under control!

Or, you know, not (from the same article):

"What do we do now?" asked Edward Pierce, a CWA member, one of hundreds at the rally wearing the union's trademark red t-shirt. "I think we need to take a more creative approach. They're coming after us."

That people like Pierce will lose health and pension benefits is no cause for celebration. He takes care of the disabled at a developmental center. He is no millionaire. He is not the greedy thug of the governor's imagination.

Well, Tom, which is it? Are middle-class public workers saddling the taxpayers with out-of-this-world benefits, or are he and his fellow workers not "greedy thugs"?

Then there's this:

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Sweeney and Oliver are confronting their own coalition, telling the unions they can't have their way because its simply unreasonable. It's the equivalent of Washington Republicans telling their team that tax hikes must be part of the answer to the debt problem. It's grown-up politics. It's leadership.

Oh, so now the benefits are "unreasonable." Except you're comparing public workers - who are underpaid anyway - getting health care and modest pensions to tax breaks for the very wealthiest at a time when they are paying historically low rates and taking more of the money for themselves than ever before.

There is simply no equivalence between a teacher making $60K a year getting decent health insurance and a hedge fund manager being asked to give up a tax rate that's lower than that teacher's.

More Moran:

This is Jersey, and they have been kings for a long time, even when Republicans were in power. A decade ago, they got a 9 percent pension boost just for asking. They rigged the rules on collective bargaining so they couldn't lose, sending the average police salary to nearly $100,000. It became almost impossible to fire them, so no one even tried.

I can't speak for the cops, but 40% of teachers do not earn tenure in their first three years. So let's put that "impossible to fire" nonsense to bed once and for all.

Let's instead talk about salaries. Your own paper reports that the median salary for police in NJ is $90, 672; that "nearly $100,000" assertion is more than a little generous.

Further, that includes superior officers - essentially, managers. Patrol officers - again, in your own report - make a median $80,120. That's before taking out 10% for mandatory pensions and health insurance. And keep in mind that New Jersey has one of the highest costs-of-living in the nation.

Tom, are you really prepared to say that NJ cops are overpaid making $80K? If so, you have an obligation to tell us what you think they should earn. $70K? $60K? $40K?

Teachers refused to take a pay freeze, despite the recession. Cops wouldn't yield on benefits, forcing mass layoffs in violent cities like Camden and Newark. Firefighters fought to keep giant payouts for unused sick time, even as union members in the private sector were taking a pounding.

On the teachers: plenty took a pay freeze. Plenty took a pay CUT: when the 1.5% contribution to health care kicked in, those teachers working without a contract around the state made LESS money than they did before.

And the NJEA never said locals shouldn't take freezes; they said it should be negotiated, not legislated. That is the entire point of this week's protest.

Further, the contracts that have been settled over the past year average raises of 2% - right in at the national average for all workers. In fact, the contracts settled since the spring have settled at 1.6%. And this is after over 20 years of teacher wages not keeping pace with average wages in NJ.

So let's not talk about the recession passing teachers by, Tom.

As to all of those charges about cops and firefighters and teachers and their greedy benefits: no one ever said they wouldn't yield on benefits. The cops in Camden agreed to a wage freeze - exactly what you call for here from the teachers.

But, no, Mayor Dana Redd - who is increasingly revealing herself to be a Christie crony - wanted a 20% cut in pay. Do you support that, Tom? A 20% pay cut for cops in the second most dangerous city in America? If so, come out and say it like that, instead of pussyfooting around.

The sad fact is that this legislation does nothing to deal with the core issue: runaway health insurance costs. Moran would better serve his readers by informing them about that than beating up public workers for daring to stand up for their middle class compensation.

UPDATE: Moran might also tell his readers that this bill will save towns a meager $5 million next year. That won't help property taxes very much, will it Tom?

(An aside: one of my biggest pet peeves about the press these days is how so few reporters seem to understand how to analyze data and statistics. Take, for example, the article I reference above from the S-L about police salaries. In an attempt to show NJ police are paid more than the national average, the writer, Chris Megerian, states:

But data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics show police here are paid better in comparison with other professions than they are elsewhere in the country.

The average rank-and-file cop nationwide makes 27 percent more than the average resident. In New Jersey, the average rank-and-file cop makes 55.3 percent more.

First of all, that's a real roundabout way to calculate regional wage disparities. Second: comparison to the average wage doesn't take into account the variability of wages in a state.

In other words: [and this is purely hypothetical] even if the above statistic is true, it is possible that the average cop in New Jersey and the average cop around the US are both paid at the 70th percentile: 70% of the population makes less, and 30% make more. The two statistics would not be incompatible.

New Jersey has many rich folks and lots of poverty; there is very high variability in our wages. So this statistic is really not very helpful in having us figure out whether NJ cops are really overpaid.)

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Typical anti-union tripe (0.00 / 0)
With no mention of the loss of collective bargaining for health benefits.

Your "liberal media" in action.


Thanks for this piece. (0.00 / 0)
It needed saying. The SL usually gives credit where credit is due, but Moran's piece was bizarre.  

The SL is coming out with a Perspective section tomorrow they've introduced with:

"Gov. Chris Christie, a rare political talent who has taken New Jersey by storm, is up for re-election in two years. What Democrats might emerge to challenge him in 2013? We put the spotlight on eight who might take him on."

Now the bull in the china shop becomes a storm. Must be running out of metaphors. Maybe the SL will forget Christie's myriad broken 2009 campaign promises, and endorse this rare bird in 2013. Stranger things have happened.  


broken promises .... (0.00 / 0)
Hell I'm still waiting for my 30%property tax cut Corzine promised ...Christie is the first to keep his not raising taxes in 10years ...outside of his  lowering property taxes he's a breath of fresh air in a old dusty room  

huh? (0.00 / 0)
We all know Corzine didn't lower property taxes, but neither did Christie.

(Esp. if you're a senior, as I understand it.)

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch


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Pesky Facts! (0.00 / 0)
From the article you cite, deciminyan:

Taxpayers may fare better this year if the Legislature votes to have public employees pay more for their pension and health benefits, a condition that Christie has required in exchange for partially restoring the rebates in the form of credits on people's property-tax bills.

Now check out the "UPDATE" in my post above: the bill saves a paltry $5 million for the towns according to the Treasury.

Yes, that's right - this bill will NOT decrease your property taxes. They will go up.

TEA PARTIER: "But.. but.. but.." (head explodes)

http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com


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Can't have it both ways... (0.00 / 0)
If the 5 million is 'paltry', it's hardly a draconian, unfair, reform, is it?

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

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Sigh... (0.00 / 0)
Pensions: The bill increases the employee's contribution, but does nothing to raise revenues to help towns pay for EMPLOYER contributions, which will now be guaranteed.

Health Care: The bill increases the employee's contribution, but does nothing to cap the overall increase in premiums. In fact, much of the bill will cause costs to INCREASE (see the out-of-state provision, for example).

So the employee's contribution helps cover the cost increases - there's not a lot left over to decrease what the town are already paying.

http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com


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Don't forget "Smaller Pools" with tiers (0.00 / 0)
The smaller pools created by tiered packages will drive ALL costs up, not down and hurt the workers AND the state.
This is a red herring all around.
Christie-crats have been exposed not only for their insincerity to the Democrat cause but of being to lazy or uninterested to review the barest of facts concerning the bill.
And allowing it to move forward this quickly shows a pathetic lack of concern for either the workers or the taxpayers longterm fiscal health.
Christie-crats is all they are.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.



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Get your facts straight (1.00 / 1)
I know that they get in your way .I won't tell you how much Christie has lowered my or my friends  taxes ,But I]ll go one better .Look to your Assemblymen Louis Greenwald  his taxes were lowered for the first time in over 10 years under Christies tax cutting http://www.zillow.com/homedeta...    when you find the facts to be true you can delete my post so as not to cause you any embarrassment ....

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Delete? (0.00 / 0)
Quite the contrary - I want everyone to see this post.

I will assume that's Greenwald's house. Your link shows a $53 reduction. There is no way to know why that happened without digging into the Camden County, Voorhees Twp, and school district budgets.

Voorhees is apparently going through some problems with reassessment. Is that the issue? I don't know - I'm not about to spend my Father's Day digging into it.

The point is that you can't take one house in one town - no matter who owns the house - and extract a general conclusion.

Deciminyan's post i from a mainstream news source and uses standard data analyzed in  standard ways. End of debate.

http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com


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This again... (0.00 / 0)
Fine... so this year (now that health care reform seems inevitable) when Chrisite restores rebates and/or doubles them. You will be touting the fact that he 'lowered property taxes 48%' right?

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

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I guess that depends... (0.00 / 0)
... on what happens, doesn't it?

When and if the rebates come back, we'll front-page it. We aren't afraid of facts here.

http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com


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How will the SL and The Record cover this? (0.00 / 0)
From an NJEA email that urges members to come out to Trenton on Monday:  

"[I]f you care about your future, your profession and your colleagues, there is only one place for you to be on Monday. No excuses. No second chances.
This is it.
See you Monday morning."

You want us to cut class during exam week?  

We're just asking for it now.  Battle of Trenton?  Well, we have more cannon than Washington had--loose ones, though.

How about some new ideas.  And don't say tent city--that didn't work out so well for the 1930's bonus marchers!  At least nobody's mentioned hunger strike or self-immolation.  

We need friends!



Again? (0.00 / 0)
Your CONCERN has been duly noted.

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Sorry, I just wanted to throw in that loose cannon thing! (0.00 / 0)
I hope that in few days I'll have to admit that I was wrong about these tactics.  



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I have a theory (0.00 / 0)
that because the newspaper industry has been so decimated over the past decade, reporters and columnist take a personal interest in seeing others getting screwed as they did.
They should be bitter (part of their downfall is the change to digital media and the other is that greater numbers of our society wish to stay uninformed), they perform an admirable duty to our society, but I think that bitterness bleeds into their writings.  

"Only a fool would follow a bully"

Who's playing games with facts? (0.00 / 0)
I can't speak for the cops, but 40% of teachers do not earn tenure in their first three years. So let's put that "impossible to fire" nonsense to bed once and for all.

But they CAN'T get tenure in the first three years, right?

Isn't the relevant statistic that a whole 17 TENURED teachers were dismissed for cause in the last 10 years? By some estimates that's 17 out of 100,000. Doesn't that sound 'near impossible' to you?

Now... I'll be first to admit that there are other ways to 'encourage' a teacher to quit and those are probably utilized. But mere fact that the process is used as little as it is should speak for itself.

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


Lets be realistic (0.00 / 0)
The tenure issue is nothing more then a talking point.  Yes...there are incompetent teachers, as I am sure there are incompetent people working in your office (or whatever occupation you have).  The tenure issue has been whooped up into a craze insinuating that there are thousands of horrible teachers sitting around with their feet on their desks laughing all the way to the bank.

Secondly, being the son of a retired public school administrator, I know first hand that it is not easy to recruit and retain good teachers, especially those with specialized areas of instruction.  The tenure issue is mostly right wing hyperbole.

"Only a fool would follow a bully"


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Sigh... (0.00 / 0)
You earn tenure after the first three years. 40% who start will not earn it after those three years. They will leave the profession or will not be awarded tenure.

OK?

http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com


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Where are these bums? (0.00 / 0)
Should there be a quota?  How many tenured teachers should be fired?

All this talk about unqualified bloodsuckers -- are these bums at your kids' school? Complain to your local school board. Or are you concerned about teachers in urban schools--schools that you would not even drive past, much less vsit.

Tenure in NJ involves a procedure that must be followed before firing a teacher. All government jobs have something like this.  Ask someone who works a federal job.  We could go back to spoils system, I guess.  

I had tenure in NYC (1990s) and that was a different story.  There it was very tough to get rid of the deadwood.  

I doubt there is anything like that kind of protection in NJ--certainly not at my school.  

The tenure issue is about destroying the public schools, and replacing them with a corporate model. I suppose towns can save money by getting rid of veteran teachers, but there's more to this than saving cash.

What will it be like without tenure?  About ten years ago I worked at a school in an NJ country I won't name.  The first question my new colleagues asked me was:  "So, who do you know?"  It'll be like that everywhere--and once the mayor's daughter-in-law graduates with an ed. degree, get that résumé in order.  

I'd better get back to work.  Oh, these cushy tenured jobs!



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Can almost everyone be wrong (0.00 / 1)
After reading just about every newspaper and blog I could find I have found that the only people who are against the new reform bill are union leaders who now fear for their jobs and some radical left posters on this site.

There has been NO outrage from 498,500 government workers.

Both responsible liberal ,moderate,and conservative writers are on board.

On this site there is outrage by about 5 different posters, that is it.

So can everyone else be wrong?

Sweeney was right in 2006 and he is right now.

Time to move on.......  


Keep dreaming, Christiecrat (0.00 / 0)
And keep lying.

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Is this Fox News? (0.00 / 0)
Because most of the THOUSANDS calling their legislators or the thousands that showed up in Trenton last week, on a WORK day (using their personal and break time or offsetting to stay at work late in exchange for attending) to protest the bill would call you obtuse.

You're either ill-informed or a blatant liar.
That or it's hard to see the real world from beneath the Sweeney ANTI-union fantasy you live in.

Your opinions Because (they are not facts) are nothing but repetative and disconnected from reality.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.



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Plus (0.00 / 0)
The majority of his boss's own caucus opposes this, as does the majority of the Assembly caucus.  It would be too much for him to think he's the one out of touch with reality.

And this won't be over until Sweeney and Oliver are removed from their leadership positions.


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Crossing the Delaware to "Camp Collective Bargaining" (0.00 / 0)
And I'll check with all those NOT union leaders that are crossing the Delaware over the Calhoun Street Bridge and attempting to up the protest camp in front of the Trenton War Memorial/Patriots Theater this morning.

Go peddle your lies somewhere else.


If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.



[ Parent ]
I'm a public employee (4.00 / 1)
and I am outraged at this. At the very least, if I ignore the fact that collective bargaining is being ruined, this is being done too quickly and it hasn't been thought out. You can't responsibly pass a 120 page bill within a week or two. Just because I don't write some of the same things the other people are writing, it doesn't mean I necessarily disagree with them.

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