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Bill places time limits on cancer treatment, mental health care out of state

by: the_promised_land

Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 06:43:16 PM EDT



It seems like that there has been very little posted here or elsewhere on what is actually in the details of the pension/health bill. So I've been trying to delve into some provisions - this is the first in what I hope will be a few posts.

Let's say you are a state employee whose kid has cancer. Or you suffer from mental illness.

Let's say you live in Gloucester County and you want your kid to go to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Or you live in Hoboken and you've finally found a good psychiatrist in New York.

You're going to have some problems. More below the fold.

the_promised_land :: Bill places time limits on cancer treatment, mental health care out of state
According to section 76 of the bill passed by the Senate Budget Committee today, you've got a year. And then you have to go before your carrier for an "expedited determination" of whether "such service is otherwise not available through an in-state health care provider."

But that's the generous part. Let's say you need, say, a kidney transplant, and think the best place to get it is in New York. Hope you like the doctors in New Jersey! Because it's not going to happen. Unless you are willing to pay extra. How much extra? The difference between the total charges from the hospital and "the lesser of the contractual rate or a rate equal to 150% of the Medicare fee schedule for the same services." Not being a health care expert, I don't know how much this is, but I sure have had some interesting experiences with my insurance company interpreting contract clauses in, shall we say, interesting ways.

This might be a good way to "improve the economy" for, say, big hospitals that are near a state border in cities such as, say, Camden, as some recent articles have pointed out. Is it fair to do so on the backs of limiting state employees' medical choices though?

I'm no expert on health care and no idea if these kinds of out-of-state clauses are generally common or seen elsewhere in health care. But these are good examples of issues that should be worked out at the bargaining table.

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do you have a link to the bill? (0.00 / 0)
Or the bill number? I should know but I don't.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

Does your current health insurance (0.00 / 0)
have the same restrictions? My understanding is that you will be able to get the same coverage you currently have. Remember, when it comes to purchasing insurane, you get what you pay for.

Not the same as current health insurance (0.00 / 0)

The ban on out-of-state medical coverage is new and has nothing to do with the cost of insurance.    

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Are you implying that Republicans want to (4.00 / 1)
Ration health care? Heavens!! Could they possibly be hypocrites?

"Discrimination caused by ignorance and fear is a tax on human progress" - Barbra Casbar Siperstein

There are no Comprehensive Cancer Centers in NJ (0.00 / 0)
What there is at Cancer Center of NJ and Steeplechase Cancer Center and the like is something of a joke.  If you get cancer, you must get to a Comprehensive Cancer center like Memorial Sloane Kettering to have any chance of fighting this dread disease.  By limiting access to Comprehensive Cancer Centers, the State of NJ is condemning their employees to a long and painful death.  

My experience (0.00 / 0)
Diagnosed with a rare cancer for the second time in my life a few years ago, I had access to a leading specialist at Memorial Sloan-Kettering fully covered (but for my co-pay) by my private-sector employer's insurance plan. I chose Sloan, as inconvenient as the frequent trips to New York continue to be, because I could not find a similar oncologist here in New Jersey. Sure, there were some who could consult with Sloan but if I wanted first-hand care, I'd have to go to New York. The kind of coverage I have in the private sector is something my public school teacher partner would not have were he ever diagnosed with the sort of cancer requiring specialized care like mine does. Perhaps that's what some people here mean by public employees having to shoulder their "fair share." The very idea is repugnant.

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A Very, Very Strange and Harmful Provision (4.00 / 1)
I've never heard of such a provision in any other plan. Indeed today's most innovative plans encourage members to go to the best quality providers regardless of the state where they are located.    

The structure of the penalty for going out of state is a killer, perhaps literally in some cases.    The member of the plan is required to pay the difference between 150% of Medicare payment (or the amount the plan pays if it is less) and charges.   Hospital and doctor charges are the amounts that you might see on a EOB (Explanation of Benefits) form from your insurance company or plan.    Charges  are mostly a type of fantasy  that generally no plan ever pays.   Charges are often two to three times the amount actually paid by the plan.  But this legislation will require public sector families to do something no one else in health plans has to do -- pay charges, thus increasing their costs exponentially.  

According to the US News survey of BEst Hospitals in the Phiadelphia area, 25 hospitals of 91 in the area are top rated in some specialty.   Of those 25, only three New Jersey hospitals (Cooper, Lourdes, and Deborah) were recognized in some specialty.  But that doesn't tell the whole story.   For instance, while the University of Pennsylvania is nationally ranked in fifteen specialties and Jefferson in eight, no New Jersey hospital in the area is nationally ranked in any specialty.


You have never heard of a provision in any other plan, (0.00 / 0)
because those plans were not part of a deal brokered by George Norcross, the South Jersey power broker who is in insurance interests and also has financial ties to the South Jersey medial establishment.  This plan will drive up the profits for the Cooper Medical Center, just one of Norcross's financial interests.  

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