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The Sweeney/Norcross Shell Game

by: Jersey Jazzman

Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 04:56:21 PM EDT



UPDATE: Since publishing this post, I've learned that Bob Ingle reported in May that Sweeney vowed he would pull the provision that would prevent towns from entering the state benefits plan. That's good news, although my point below still stands: given Sweeney's ties to Norcross and the private insurance market, pubic workers and taxpayers should demand a full accounting of how private insurers profit from public worker health plans before agreeing to any increased contributions.

And I continue to believe that conflating pensions and health insurance is a diversionary tactic.

So Senate President Steve Sweeney announced his plan to destroy both health care and pensions for public workers this week, and it's as bad for cops, teachers, firefighters, and other public workers as expected.

Workers will have to pay up to 30% of the costs of their health insurance premiums. But what, if anything, will be done to check the skyrocketing price of those premiums? Sweeney won't say.

What he will say is that he absolutely refuses to deal with these two issues separately:

Jersey Jazzman :: The Sweeney/Norcross Shell Game
In recent interviews, several Assembly members called for the measures to be split into separate bills, one dealing with pensions and the other with health benefits.

"Of course they want to do the pension bill, you know, that's what the unions want," Sweeney said. "They want their pensions fixed, but they don't want to have to deal with the health care component. You know who needs the health care component. The taxpayers."

Assemblyman Jack McKeon (D-Essex) said he supports splitting the bills because lawmakers have traditionally dealt with pension issues in the past, while unions negotiated health benefits.

"The concept of combining these is foreign," said McKeon.

Asked about Sweeney's comments, McKeon responded, "We don't need two bullies."

Ouch. Of course, McKeon is referring to Governor Christie; problem is, Christie, just like Sweeney, refuses to deal with health care and pensions separately.

Why is Sweeney taking the governor's side on this? Why does he insist on dealing with pensions and health insurance at the same time?

Well, back in April, the NY Times gave us a clue:

In the last three years, hundreds of cities, towns and school districts in New Jersey have saved tens of millions of dollars on health insurance by dumping their private carriers and switching to a little-known benefits program run by the state.

But now one of the state's most powerful lawmakers is promoting legislation that could effectively cripple the program. The lawmaker, Stephen M. Sweeney, the State Senate president, has placed a provision in a health care insurance bill that would prohibit the program from accepting new members.

Mr. Sweeney, a Democrat from Gloucester County, is a close ally and a childhood friend of George E. Norcross 3rd, perhaps the most influential Democratic boss in New Jersey. Mr. Norcross, of Camden County, owns one of the largest brokers of health insurance to government entities in the state, and his company has been losing customers to the program Mr. Sweeney wants to rein in, according to an analysis of the program's records.

Mr. Sweeney, who rose to prominence with Mr. Norcross's support, acknowledged in an interview that he had spoken with Mr. Norcross about the provision. But Mr. Sweeney said he had not introduced it at Mr. Norcross's behest.

Mr. Sweeney said the state benefits program was losing hundreds of millions of dollars and required costly state subsidies. A ban on new members would "allow time for stabilization and to judge the plan's sustainability," he said.

But state records and interviews call into question Mr. Sweeney's claim that the state program is foundering.

If Sweeney gets away with this - and it's increasingly looking like he will - his legislation will funnel untold millions into the coffers of companies like Norcorss's Conner Strong. Is anyone going to seriously argue that there will be an incentive to keep costs low when this happens?

Of course, if pensions and health care are dealt with separately, Sweeney runs the risk of exposing the legislation's benefits to companies like Norcross's, and that must never, ever be allowed to happen. It is in the interest of his political patron to make the public see worker benefits as an issue of undo compensation, and not of runaway costs, driven by health insurers profit motives.

It is, in effect a shell game: keep everyone's eyes moving around enough that you can slip the pea out and palm it.

Legislators who truly care about the public trust should demand that pension and health care for public workers be dealt with in separate bills. They should hold extensive hearings on on who, exactly, will benefit from any legislative proposals. And they should demand that cost-containment and a cap on profits at the expense of both taxpayers and public workers be the highlight of any bill.

Further: public worker unions should insist that not one further dime of their members' money should be delivered to Conner Strong or any other private firm without a full exploration of how those firms intend to bring health care costs under control.

Public workers should not subsidize George Norcross's three-martini lunches. And Steve Sweeney should not be allowed to evade hard questions about how his legislation will benefit insurance firms while doing nothing to control costs.

ADDING: Looks like George Norcross is looking at other sources of revenue from the taxpayer - this time through the schools.

Everyone OK with this?

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Sweeney is errand boy for Norcross the crook (0.00 / 0)
And dealing with both in one bill may violate the New Jersey constitution's single purpose requirement.

Also it's clear that Sweeney made a deal with his ally Christie to not touch New Jersey's prevailing wage requirement.  Sweeney takes care of his own union while screwing over his public worker union brothers and sisters.


Sweeney's Agenda is Simple (4.00 / 1)
1) Please George Norcross so he continues to get campaign finance support.
2) Look like Chris Christie to disillusioned Tea Baggers and right leaning independents for 2013 governors race.

Sweeney is a "Democrat in Name Only" (DiNO) and, like the dinosaurs, his career needs to go extinct.

Sheila Oliver has an opportunity to make a real difference for the Democrats by refusing to back down for Sweeney, Christie and Norcross and being a REAL Democrat instead of the corporate puppet that Sweeney is.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.



Forget Oliver (0.00 / 0)
She's Joe D's and Adubato's puppet.  She supports the Christie-Sweeney bill but is worried about keep her speakership.  Right now she's trying a way to get enough Assembly Dems to support the Christie-Sweeney bill.

http://www.politickernj.com/48...


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Speaker (0.00 / 0)
Why doesn't stop raising the hopes of public employees and post the bill?  She's got to be able to find enough Republicans and Christie Democrats to keep her as Speaker.

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No raised hopes (0.00 / 0)
I think it's fair to say that most public employees know the fix is in.  Sheila Oliver is Joe D's puppet.  In the end, she'll do what he, and the other members of the Christie-Sweeney-Norcross-Adubato axis, want.

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Unions have a plan to save money (3.00 / 1)
CWA's proposal, which has been endorsed by several, if not all of the unions involved, does control costs.

Provisions like bulk medicine purchase,  more use of generic prescriptions,  and wellness program discounts will not sit easily with all workers.

But they will control costs. Sweeney and Christie are not interested in that.


I can't wait to see (1.00 / 1)
the first paychecks where you union works start paying your fair share. It will look something like this:

Union Dues -$$$
Health Insurance - $$$
Pension - $$$

You get what you pay for.
Mine looks like this

Health Insurance - $$$
401K - $$$


Your argument assumes (0.00 / 0)
that the current system of employer based, privately insured health care system should be the model that we should continue to follow.

If the Sweeney plan becomes law, and tens of thousands of middle class citizens take 5 - 10% pay cuts....does that make you feel better?????

It doesn't solve any problems, your tax bill will not lower, your employer will continue to pass on  escalating health insurance premiums on to you...and more and more of all of our income will go to paying healthcare premiums.  Much like the real estate bubble that we are still recovering from, healthcare costs are escalating at a pace that is unsustainable.  So while you may enjoy watching collective bargaining rights being stripped from hundreds of thousands...it is not even a stop gap measure...it may be an ideological victory for  Sweeney and the right, but it doesn't solve anything.  I hope you sleep better...but ultimately we will all be in the same boat.

"Only a fool would follow a bully"


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How is this a pay cut? (0.00 / 0)
Splain it to me?

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You are a simple minded troll (3.00 / 1)
who resorts to bigoted jokes to put forth your point of view.   It is obvious your mind is too small and incapable of the intellect to have rational discussion to debate different points of view.

"Only a fool would follow a bully"

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Again... (0.00 / 0)
personal attacks. Right out of the socialist playbook, personal attacks and censorship.

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My partner already pays his fair share... (0.00 / 0)
You use the expression "fair share." Leaving aside for the moment just what the definition of "fair" is, I have a basis of comparison. I work in a corporate job while my partner is a public school teacher. My plan has a high deductible whereas his does not. But I also make three times what he makes. He already contributes out of his paycheck for his plan and also has a copay. Meanwhile, I contribute next to nothing out of my paycheck. If Sweeney's plan goes through, we are very seriously considering the prospect that my partner may have to go on my insurance rather than take the hit to his already low pay. The only thing that keeps us from doing that is that I would have to pay Federal income tax on the added benefit to cover him. Because, as a gay couple, we do not enjoy the tax deductibility that heterosexual couples do for health coverage of a spouse. So as a gay public school teacher, my partner is already paying more than his "fair share" than I (working in the private sector) am and has little choice than to take a hit to his income for the sake of the rapacious health insurance industry. When you speak of "fair share" try to know what you're talking about.

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Aegletes (0.00 / 0)
Please reread what you wrote here slowly.

You are claiming that your insurance costs you nothing (although not as good as the state plan). But STILL prefer to have your partner's insurance through the state. This is exactly what the legislation is designed to prevent, to provide some incentive for people to opt for alternative insurance.  

Secondly, you are concerned that even though it may not cost you anything to add your partner to your plan, you may be taxed on the benefit to your spouse? Can we assume you two are not 'rich' and are probably taxed at 25% rate? Can we assume that your partner's low pay is probably about 50k? So, making close to $200,000 a year, your family is probably taxed at a 30% rate. You're really complaining that instead of the $750 premium that your partner was paying, that instead, your tax bill may increase by $3000, leaving you a net loss of $2250 on a $200,000 income?



"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


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You misunderstood my post (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure how you were able to misunderstand my post so thoroughly but let me spell it out for you: I work a corporate job. My partner is a public school teacher. I have nothing deducted from my paycheck to fund my insurance whereas my partner already does and, under the Sweeney plan, will certainly contribute even more. The only way to avoid that hit to his paycheck would be for him to come under my insurance but, because we cannot be married, I would have to pay Federal income tax on the imputed value of the insurance to cover him by my employer. I never claimed it wouldn't cost me anything to cover my partner. Quite the opposite! It would cost me a great deal.

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As for your assumptions about my income... (0.00 / 0)
I will not, even under the cover of a pseudonym, divulge details about my income, my taxes, my partner's income, or his taxes on this public forum. I'm sorry you wish to make assumptions about those factors but your assumptions are a) wrong and b) presumptuous.

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It would cost you... (0.00 / 0)
appox. 25% of 'the imputed value' or I'd guess about $2500/yr, minus the contribution he is making currently ($600)... or approx $1900. Correct?

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

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Furthermore... (0.00 / 0)
You seem to miss the point of my comment, which was to put the lie to this notion that somehow public workers are not already paying their so-called fair share. At least compared to my own conditions, that of public sector employees is inferior in the sense that, with lower pay (for comparable education attainment), the public school teachers I know are already contributing to their healthcare coverage. I keep hearing about how good teachers have it. But from my vantage point, working in the corporate sector, they decidedly do not. But I suppose it's easier to go after members of the middle class than to really examine what is wrong with healthcare costs in this country. That would require questioning the very premise of the for-profit private sector health payments system, something which apparently is taboo.

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First off... (0.00 / 0)
I'm just going by generalizations... I know that the majority of districts in NJ start teachers at 40k/year. (the NJEA's '40 the first year' campaign of several years back)... You posted (I never guessed), you make triple your partner.

Seems to me that it was a reasonable assumption your family income was in the $160k range. But that's besides the point, really.

I think you're missing the point. I'm going to assume (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), that your partner pays 1.5% of salary for insurance. (for argument sake, based on $40k/year, like $600/yr)
He could ADD you for that same cost ($600) per year now, because the cost is structured as percent of salary and not premium. I'm not sure why you haven't taken advantage of this (your insurance must be superior, I'm guessing). But this is the problem, there is no incentive to anyone to look anywhere else or select a cheaper plan from the state.

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


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"Up to me . . . but not above me." (0.00 / 0)
This is what you can't wait for?

You got big dreams, Mr. T.

Ask yourself why you are so hot on this topic.

You think some folks have a better deal than you, and it just burns you up.  

Someday you'll realize that all the time spent on this tea party stuff would have been better spent with your kids, or on woodworking, or a part-time job, or helping old people, or anything else!

Do some research on similar movements from the past:  historical footnotes--often embarrassing ones.

Better yet, look through a copy of Eric Hoffer's The True Believer.    


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Movements... (0.00 / 0)
Nowian - the State of NJ has long been a bastion of liberal Democratic ideology and policy which lead to our current fiscal mess. The original Tea Party actually rose up against England in a revolt against taxes. Its time for NJ State workers to pony up like the rest of us. State workers can always choose to do something different. How much do you pay in union dues? Maybe you can tell the union you want to deduct you medical insurance and pension contributions from you union dues.

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Or you could be studying history . . . (0.00 / 0)
Only a graduate of Sarah Palin University would see a direct connection between the original Tea Party and the present assault on the middle class and the poor.

And you might find that the "minutemen" were not really the guys who kept the Mexicans out of the Colonies.  

I would think you were the dissatisfied one:  the contented seldom join mass movements that have grandiose names.  

Again, read the book I mentioned-you're in it!  


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I'll read it (0.00 / 1)
Right after I finish Ann Coulters new book which was written about all you libs on this forum.

Christies victory in 2009 was.no fluke. The 2010 landslide in the HOR, Senate, and in State and local elections were no fluke. Liberal Dems were decimated. Tell me why you think that happened?


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You guys hate Palin (0.00 / 1)
Guys like Weiner make Palin look like a genius. I hope he doesn't resign. Can you  imagine showing him and Obama as the leaders of the Democratic Party in the 2012 election!!!

I would pay money to watch Trump debate Obama, A community organizer vs a businessman.


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Actually, you are mistaken (0.00 / 0)
The debate would be between THE President of the United States vs. a businessman and reality television star

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Simplified and inaccurate understanding (4.00 / 1)
Your understanding of the Bost9on Tea Party is wholey inaccurate and the whole tea party crew has been misinformed about it.

The Tea Party was a revolt against the Government run as a CORPORATION favoring plutocracy and monarchy.

It was NEVER about "Higher Taxes" but, in FACT was about government "GIVING COPORATIONS TAX BREAKS" and undercutting (destroying) other sources of Tea importation and creating source monopolies and retail market exclusivity:
"The Tea Act taxed the tea at source (i.e. in India) so there was no tax collection in the colonies. The act allowed the tea to go directly to America instead of having to be imported to Britain and then re-exported to the colonies. This made the tea 9d per lb cheaper, even with the 3d tax. It also allowed the East India Company to sell the tea exclusively to chosen merchants (consignees) in the American colonies. This established monopolies in America and offended colonial merchants."

So, basically, the Tea Party in Boston represented exactly the OPPOSITE of what Tea Party people in the US now have been misled to believe it stood for and the irony is that if looked at in comparison, WE, the DEMOCRATS, would be the Tea Party Revolutionaries and the people calling themselves the "Tea Party" today would be the East India Company and British Crown loyalists.

That's what happens when you let insurance companies, Freedom Works and Faux News give you your bullet-point education.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.



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What the Tea Party means to me (0.00 / 0)
It is a revolt against a big government apparatus, and the redistribution of wealth, higher taxes to pay for The aforementioned,  with no regard for the constitution and the Governments disregard for securing our boarders avaunt illegal entry by terrorists, drugs, and criminals.

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Avaunt, varlet! (0.00 / 0)
 "boarders avaunt illegal entry"

Look, if you can bring the deity into this (previous post) we can use your typos against you.

I think the Tea Party means a lot more to you than that dusty list  . . . it gives a man something, doesn't it?

And by the way, isn't the Trump thing over?



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Sorry about the typos (0.00 / 0)
I am poolside on my iPad and the spellcheck busted me.

Anyway genius, splain to me my question about the 2009 Christie win and the 2010 nationwide blowout by the Tea Party. Its been a tough 2 years for you Libs and the face of the liberal left, aka Weiner just making it tougher. I hope he never resigns.


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Democrat hangover. (0.00 / 0)
ALL statistics show there was no "Overwhelming" increase in voters. In fact there was a significant DECREASE in voters. Most notably in the democrats.

This is also why Tea Bagger politicians are now trying to impose "Poll Taxes" and "Papers Please" rules on future elections. To repress the vote of the working poor and impoverished (Those who vote HOPE instead of FEAR).

Most of who showed up were scared old folks who bought the BS about death panels and now even THEY are wondering how the "F" they could have been so stupid. Paul Ryan, Chris Christie, Scott Walker and the rest of the Tea Party Darlings have shown tha they made a HUGE mistake and now 2012 is pretty much going to be the backlash.

If Democrats have learned anything from this it is that we can never again "Sit out" ANY election cycle, and for that, we tank the Tea Baggers.

Never again.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.



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at least you didn't say (0.00 / 0)
it was Bushs fault!

You crack me up man, later.

One down...who else wants to give this one a shot.


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It was Bush's fault... (0.00 / 0)
Reagan's fault AND Bush (Sr.)'s fault with a little twist in from Bill Clinton and NAFTA

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.



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Parers Please (0.00 / 0)
Oh yeah right. Making sure someone is eligable to vote is a bad idea.

Having the Black Panthers show up in Philly was a class act.  


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Ignorance is no excuse... (0.00 / 0)
You KNOW this isn't about 10 or 15 illegal votesout of 50,000 but about the 10's of thousands of black, poor and other marginal voters the GOP wants to supress.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.



[ Parent ]
so many peolpe (0.00 / 0)
They must have proper paperwork and be registered voters, that the way it works. I want everyone who is an e;igable registered voter to be able to vote. Being black poor or marginal is not a requirment to vote. Having the proper credentials is.

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The cost wan't the real issue (0.00 / 0)
Let me give you a clue:

The tea was a symbol of the Monarchy, ruling elite class; it didn't have anything to do with the cost (but that what you guys teach the 2nd graders so that probably why you remember it that way). The revolt was over representation, or the lack thereof, if the Monarchy. Much like say...Obamacare where one parry was shut out of drafting the Bill (remember it was supposed to be on CSPAZ). This is why you lost in 2009. This is why you got destroyed in 2010. You don't know what it is. It's like grasping at air, a swing and a miss. You can't define it so you just denounce it, much like King George did.


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Still as misinformed as ever (0.00 / 0)
No point try to enlighten the blind.
It was a revolt against CORPORATE FAVORATISM, TAX BREAKS to the WEALTHY and MONOPOLIES. You know, all the stuff that is SCREWING us now and are the party platform to the GOP and Tea Party Fake-triots.
But you keep regurging that Faux News / NJ 101.5 fantasy.

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.



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Not true (0.00 / 0)
The Boston Tea Party was not a protest over taxes. It was a protest on being taxed without representation. Under the Tea Act, tea was actually cheaper than it had been in some time. It wasn't a tax protest and it wasn't about prices, it was about being able to elect someone to represent you.

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Fair share (0.00 / 0)
Like the super rich and the non job creating corporate entities who got a tax cut while everyone else gets tax and "fee" hikes with their cuts in service?

What about their fair share?

Don't lecture about "fair share" until you look in the mirror and at all of the actual facts, which I know can be pesky things.

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.


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Oh you must be talking about (0.00 / 1)
Obamacare. Well that hasn't actually been fully implimented yet because there is this small issue calledf the US Constitution in the way. You can be sure if it is implimented, the job losses will be severe and the service will suck too.  

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No, like I said above (3.00 / 1)
I am talking about Christie giving a tax break to those making over $400k and giving corps a 4% tax cut.  And the fees coupled with service cuts right here in NJ for countless things.

Look it up using teh google.  Again, pesky facts getting in the way of your talking points and off topic comments.

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.


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Oh, let me splain it to ya (0.00 / 1)
You see, NJ has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the country. If you lower the tax rate compnies will look at NJ as a place they may want to do business. If they decide to move to NJ, that means they hire people from NJ to work in thier company. Those people pay the highest taxes in the country to the state and state revenue increases. Isn't that a great idea! I think so. You know why? It is a proven fact that companies move to locations where they pay lower taxes (see Irelands 12% corporate tax rate vs US35% tax rate).

So I guess what you like is high taxes plus high unemployment. You guys make no sence. You just have your hands out asking for more. Educate youself son.


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Ireland (3.50 / 2)
Oh, yes, things have worked out so well there...

BTW - you want to spew Tea Party nonsense, fine. But save the homophobia for Red State or Free Republic.

http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com


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Ireland? (0.00 / 0)
LOL.  The collapse of the "Celtic Tiger" was worse that the collapse here.

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you're talking to a state tax expert (0.00 / 0)
so you don't have to try and BS me here.  The corporate tax rate is meaningless if there are so many loopholes and deductions that the actual taxes paid are low or zero.

NJ just changed their corporate tax structure as well to make it fully based on sales and not property or payroll in the state, so in state corps have an even bigger tax break than before.

Doubt you will see this since it is a few days later, but the condescending and lack of knowledge on your part is a double winner.

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.


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Another Horrible Provision (4.00 / 2)
of this bill is that the benchmark of the 30% premium contribution will be that the 30% will be based on a new state health benefits plan called "direct 40".  What they are trying to do is force more people into lower quality health benefits packages.  If your employer or negotiated health plan has richer benefits then the SHBP "direct 40", then the employee will be responsible for 100% of the difference between "direct 40" and the value of your current or negotiated benefits plan.

So...not only does this bill do nothing to solve the health care crisis....it makes it worse by forcing tens of thousands into accepting a lesser medical insurance plan and making it law that they essentially have no negotiaion power to determine what type of plan they would negotiate for themselves.

This law will do nothing to solve the property tax crisis, all it will do is provide some very short term budget relief, make the 101.5 er's feel good about themselves, and perpetuate the current broken health care system.

Steve Sweeney is the biggest fraud the democratic party has ever seen.  Actually...there is no real reason to be angry with Christie because Sweeney has done all of his dirty work for him....sickening!!!!

"Only a fool would follow a bully"


Couldn't say it any better (0.00 / 0)
Especially your last paragraph.

By Direct 40, does that mean $40 co-pays.


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What is amazing is... (0.00 / 0)
How "offended" Tea Party Fake-triots are by public workers having a better deal and then crying they need to "Suffer too".
That is called SOCIALISM by their definition (Nobody can have more than anybody else).
The way the miss the complete hypocrisy of their own arguments is astounding yet expected.

You claim that everyone needs to "Get theirs for themselves" but as soon as someone you disagre with has more than you wyou get very "Shared sacrifice socialist".

If we don't stand together, we fall alone
That didn't last long.



As long as you are in a union (0.00 / 1)
you will never have more than me. You got as bad deal and its getting worse and the sad thing is you dont even know it. This isn't about me anyway, its about the taxpayers of NJ. It is time you pay for your benefits like everyone else.

What you gonna do with those union dues? You could always go on strike, correct?

Those who stand with idots fall like idiots.


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No point in going on with this. (0.00 / 0)
Good-bye T.  


Just so all know . . . (0.00 / 0)
TpartT made some anti-gay comments that were rightfully deleted.  

If you folks want to waste your breath on him . . .


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Your accusation of homophobia (0.00 / 0)
Is unfounded and lacks scientific proof or factual evidence.

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Bottom Line Is That NJ Needs A Real Democratic Party (3.00 / 1)
We need to make folks like Loretta Weinberg the MAJORITY of the legislature....that will only happen with primary challenges and lots of grass roots organizing.

I wish I was wrong about Sweeney/Norcross et al.....I've been pointing out the problems with NJ machine politics for years here......they don't care about the people.  It's all about their  own power, income and connections that can later be used for more income and more power.

Christie is a machine pol.   He was a LOBBYIST for those who would privatize our schools.....he IS a bait and switch governor, just like the rest of the the new bumper crop of radical Republicans in sheeps clothing.

If the Democrats have and decency or courage they will fight Christie tooth and nail.   That means passing GOOD legislation that addresses our problems and then forcing him to sign or to veto.    That creates ISSUES for the next election and it educates the public.


I think we need to go even further (0.00 / 0)
Like having progressives run in the general election if the Democrat is really beyond the pale.  Such as Sweeney or Stack.

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If a progressive can't win in a primary... (0.00 / 0)
....it would be almost impossible for a third party progressive to win in the general...as our vote would be divided.

Corzine was something of a miracle....a moderately progressive, non machine candidate with his own money.

Sadly, he didn't have whatever it takes to do battle with the machines and incorporate the Weinberg "real Democrat" meme as a way to transform the party.  The people would have risen up and backed him.....had he done that, he would like have been in the running for the presidency.....and NJ would be a totally different place right now.......and the national political scene would also be radically different.

 


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Actually... (0.00 / 0)
I agree 100%. If Corzine had shown some chuzpah, and really did address the "3rd rails, 800lb gorillas, etc" he'd have been unstoppable.

He seemed to have fallen victim to trying to please everyone and instead, pleaseing no one.

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


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third party (0.00 / 0)
The point would not be to win, but to defeat the DINO.  Imagine a senate without Steve Sweeney.  Do you really think things would be much different if Tom Kean were senate president?

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