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Chris Christie: Economic Genius

by: Ian Reifowitz

Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 04:37:51 PM EST



Welcome back, Ian. - promoted by Rosi

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie's lack of understanding of economics appears to approach the level of John McCain.

Christie, like many Republicans, claims to believe in fiscal responsibility, and says that government shouldn't spend more than it has, just like real families. (I'd like to meet these families). The problem is, these ideas don't work for families and they don't work for our government.

On Meet The Press this past Sunday, Christie said,

I mean, we made real hard decisions, and I cut some programs that we would've liked to have kept...But we're broke. We don't have the money anymore.

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Ian Reifowitz :: Chris Christie: Economic Genius
So, Governor, I guess that means your family would never, say take out a mortgage? Or borrow money to send your kids to college? Oh, but that's different, you say? How? Seriously. How is that not spending more than you have? Of course you'd do those things because that borrowing and spending brings more benefits in the long run that not doing so. So let's get past the false ideology.

Next, let's talk about economics in a recession. In the same interview as he brags about cutting spending, he also says that we shouldn't raise taxes on income above $250,000 in a "weakening economy." When David Gregory asked about the budget, Christie fought with him about whether a tax cut was actually a tax cut but never answered the question how he'd offset the revenue lost.

According to Christie, the budget matters so we have to cut government spending that directly creates jobs, but the economy matters so we have to keep income tax rates on the richest low. Huh? The problem is that doing so won't create jobs, according to most economists, including former Vice-Chairman of the Fed,  Alan Blinder .

"Some have a lot of bang for the buck, and some have very little. The GDP increase per dollar of budgetary cost is in the range of 1.6, 1.7 for things like food stamps and unemployment benefits, and in the range of .35 for extending the Bush tax cuts. We could get some substantial job creation by simply reprogramming the $75 billion that would be saved over the next two years by not extending the upper-bracket Bush tax cuts and spending it instead on unemployment benefits, food stamps, and the like."

The reality is that when private sector demand is weak, the government can prime the pump. This increases demand for the things companies sell, leading them to hire more workers to make more products to meet the demand. That hiring creates more demand, as workers spend money, and it creates a virtuous cycle. My only training in economics is reading Paul Krugman, but he explained this pretty well. It is almost so simple that it's amazing anyone doesn't understand it.

By contrast, cutting government spending, which Blinder shows is effective in creating jobs, in favor of tax cuts for the rich, which is not, is simply a bad idea. It doesn't work. Yes, when times are flush, government spending can crowd out private spending. Yes, when times are flush we should run a surplus and cut some spending to save it for when we need it. That's what Bill Clinton and the Democrats (without a single Republican vote in the House or Senate) did in the 1993 budget plan. And it led to "surpluses as far as the eye can see" by 2000.

But Christie doesn't get it. Not spending now will only make the government poorer by keeping revenues down, and the long term cost, both human and economic are even worse. Christie embodies Republican thinking on the economy, and that's why his ideas need to be exposed for what they are.

Wrong.

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Hi All! (4.00 / 3)
Sorry that I haven't posted here in 2 years. I was helping out Josh Zeitz in 2008. But I wrote this diary over at DailyKos and wanted to publish it here as well, considering the topic. I'll check back for comments ASAP.

Look around the world.... (0.00 / 0)
Most developed countries are undergoing some type of austerity measure.  England, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, etc are all pushing for cutbacks in government spending.

The country experiencing the best economic growth (Germany) was the first major country to embrace these austerity cuts.

I'm not any type of economist, and I understand the point of increased government spending during a recession but maybe (just maybe) the repubs are on to something.


well (4.00 / 1)
Germany actually had a stimulus program and increased borrowing last year.  We'll see if the much hyped austerity that only just has been passed will be good, though of course they benefit from having set up the Euro to benefit themselves at the cost of their neighbors.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...

The "austerity" programs are new so we'll see how they work out next year.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch


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Germany's huge trade imbalance helps (0.00 / 0)
While of course ours doesn't.

[ Parent ]
no college for you! (4.00 / 1)
(it sounds better when I say that subject line in the Soup Nazi accent)

I stumbled upon this brilliant reality piece just as Chris Christie's padded expense account stories are breaking all over the place. IMHO, he's in it for himself and to hell with anyone who actually works for a living.


I'll imagine the accent (0.00 / 0)
And the moustache.

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Listen... (4.00 / 1)
What led to the boom of the ninties was the widespread adaptation and advances of the personal computer and the growth of the internet, not government policy (one way, or the other), the PC revolution coupled with the internet were the innovations of the century and drove the economy and our national debt into the black.

If your premise above were true, the 800 billion stimulus spending would have had a must greater effect on unemployment (and I'm not saying it had no effect), I'm just saying it has no effect when compared to the economic engine that our technological advnaces provided in the ninties.

Due to those technolgical advances, the world became much smaller, outsoucing of many, many, jobs became feasible, and the result was the flow of jobs from America to the rest of the world (as they came up to speed on our technology) during the last decade.

Going forward (long term), there will be a leveling out of wages across the globe as American workers compete with the rest of the planet. (China now churns our more millionaires than anywhere on the planet) Our strategy to remain ahead of the curve should be to foster new technologies and once again try to lead the world in the latest innovations, such as the cell phone and/or internet.



"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


The recession of 2008 was far too deep (0.00 / 0)
For private industry alone to lead us out. Much of the federal stimulus was offset by cuts in government spending at the state and local levels. Krugman says it was completely offset. When demand is weak, companies can't sell enough computers anyway. Gov't hiring helps stimulate the demand, but of course companies need to innovate and have good products. Christie's problem is that he rejects gov't's role completely, and wants to do the opposite of what works (austerity in a time of weak demand).

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that's very interesting (4.00 / 1)
I never gave the advance in technology that much credit with respect to the impact on jobs and the global economy, but that makes a ton of sense.

I've thought that we should use the technologies and innovations to lead in various necessary and newly emerging industries (alternative energy, infrastructure, etc.).

But even that is part of the equation.  I wonder how it unfolds.....

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.


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As a manufacturer... (4.00 / 1)
I saw it first hand... it was amazing... in 1990 'solid modeling' software, (this allows you to create a 'virtual reality' part in the computer) was about $50,000 'a seat'. Very few companies could afford it.... by the end of the decade, newer, faster, better, software dropped to only $5000 (approx) and every company with a Pentium PC could run it...

Once everyone could simply draw exactly what they wanted, translational barriers were torn down... coupled with the internet, and engineer in NJ could draw a new piece, email it to China, and have a factory return a prototype in just a few days... no more translation. Draw what you want, send it over, and get it back within days.

American manufacturers still compete, but only with advances in production technology. And once an American manufacturer decides to branch out into China (to take advantage of cheap labor) their production technology is brought with them, learned, and spread throughout the country and the vicious cycle continues...

I can't remember the specifics, but one of the most prolific cases was Catepillar. They had designed a series of parts for a new diesel engine they were producing and had the tooling built in China (with plans of producing with the parts here in the states). As the story goes, China built (2) sets of tools, kept one, and there is a copy of their engine selling in China...  

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


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Listen, Listen (4.00 / 2)
The PC is more responsible for doing away with jobs then any thing in history. Most people sit in cubicles in front of one of those things all day. Is that any way to grow an economy?

EXACTLY.... (4.00 / 1)
my point. We reap what we sow.

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

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Trickle Down Theory (4.00 / 2)
It was plain to see that Christie was a trickle down guy as a candidate.  As governor, there can be no doubt in Christie's belief in the the theory.  The proof is in the pudding, his refusal to raise the income tax on the wealthy demonstrates his desire who he wants to insulate.  

Christie hates public sector labor unions because the private sector  has been successfull at deteriorating the labor movement over the years.  Public sector has maintained and grown its ranks. It has been successful at maintaining decent wages and benefits for their members.

Christie wants to continue and grow the chasm between the rich and everybody else.  Union busting and demoninzing labor unions to those who have lost wages and benefits is immoral.  It is the cruelest and best trick in the GOP playbook - creating an enemy in order to get people to vote against their own self interests.


"Only a fool would follow a bully"


Your description (4.00 / 1)
of Christie is accurate. And thanks for all the comments.

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The reason why people are starting to turn against public labor unions... (0.00 / 0)
is because they have been fleecing the public for the last 30 years.

Private industry unions have contributed to the downfall (along with poor management) of some of the greatest companies in America.  That is fine with me because each company needs to survive on it's own merits.

The problem with public labor unions is that there are no limits to their greed.  They can't just take a business under because taxes can just keep on increasing.  The NJEA, AFT, AFSCME, etc would tax the poor and middle class out of their homes and the state if they could have their way.

We need a healthy balance between the public and private sector in NJ and right now it is tipped towards the public sector.

As for trickle down economics, that is an entirely different debate.  What can't be doubted though is the competition NJ faces from surrounding states and those all over the country.  NJ can't afford to lose more wealth and mid and large size business to other states offering lower taxes, etc.


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If you want to talk about greed (4.00 / 1)
then indeed private industry is where you should look.  If not for the greed of the private sector we wouldn't be having this discussion.  Trickle down and greed are synonymous.  The only thing that trickles down is the pain inflicted to the majority while the wealthy profit from the labor provided.  Once the assets are exhausted, the labor gets kicked to the curb while the wealthy rest on the cash they acquired during the boom.

Booms and busts (caused by excessive corporate greed) are what dictate salaries and you are seeing that occur now.  Although Christie has exasperated the layoff situation (becasue of his ideological budget priorities), they were probably inevitable due to the far reaching effects of the recession (caused by excessive corporate greed)

Fortunately there are limits to greed, unfortunately we only discover those limits everytime excessive corporate greed pushes past it.

"Only a fool would follow a bully"


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there is a difference..... (4.00 / 1)
If I don't like the greed I see from a certain CEO or corporation I don't have to buy their products.  If one supports unions they can only shop in union stores, stay in unionized hotels, buy products and food processed by unions.

There is no such choice in the public sector.

And let's be serious here... excessive greed by everyone in this country helped to cause this recession.  Individuals, all levels of government, and corporations have lived beyond their means on easy credit for the last 30 years.  Such wreckless and unregulated spending and speculation by everyone was bound to catch up to us sometime and it did.


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Forgot to mention (4.00 / 1)
Hopefully everyone will learn from this recession.  We need better regulation, regulators actually doing their jobs effectively, and a nation focusing on buying what we need and can afford rather than what we want.

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Home rule (4.00 / 1)
is one of the biggest problems when it comes to public sector unions.  The overpopulation of government in NJ is what drives up the cost of doing business in NJ.  When you have 566 municipalities, over 600 school districts and countless other authorities and boards negotiating against each other, statistically it is impossible for all of those contracts to be negotiated in the best interests of the taxpayer and the union.  Both parties are to blame for this, however Sweeney has just today criticized Christie for ignoring the need to share services and ultimately shrink the number of taxing authorities within NJ (Christie has been focusing on union busting).

   Ironically, free market competition is what is to blame for those who perceive salaries as being to high in the NJ public sector.  If there were less government in NJ, there would be less people to compete against  and salaries would reflect that.
Public sector needs unions to protect them from politicians.  If the CWA did not have collective bargaining agreement (cba) in place, do you think for a minute Christie would not have reduced salaries and benefits on a whim??  He could negotiate to achieve these goals, but instead he chooses to demonize and bully.  

Look at municipal government, most non-unionized employees were forced to take furloughs and other reductions because it was easier then negotiating with unionized employees.  To force unions to the table some municipal officials (Cory Booker, to name one) threaten huge layoffs under enormous budget shortfalls and then complain that unions wouldn't concede to givebacks.  The unions know all the givebacks in the world won't even dent the budget shortfall or prevent layoffs, so they do balk only to be further demonized.

Without the right to collectively bargain, without civil service and title 40 politicians would hire and fire at will at every election cycle.  The system isn't perfect but ultimately provides more stable and better services to the taxpayers.  

I would agree that too many people were fast and loose with credit.  It is another symptom of republican strip mining the people they are supposed to serve, and as usual it will be democrats who craft laws to prevent its occurence again.  It is a cylical cycle and based on the popularity of Christie and the next congress coming in, we are headed for another downward turn.


"Only a fool would follow a bully"


[ Parent ]
Good comments (0.00 / 0)
This was a very good and balanced discussion, I thought.

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