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We lose when we forget

by: Thurman Hart

Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:59:36 PM EDT



Yeah, I think there's going to be some disagreement on this post ... - promoted by Rosi

Earlier this year, my brother provided me with a bit of wisdom that seemed to come out of nowhere and apply everywhere. I was cussing the bad drivers on Route 17 and he said, "I don't think the problem is that there are bad drivers. The problem is that we have forgotten how to be good people. Then we get behind the wheel and use technology to be bad people to even more people than before."

What is true for drivers in northern New Jersey is also true for political parties. The problem - the reason we stand on the brink of losing our ability to govern - is not that we are reaching for bad policies. It's that we've forgotten how to be good people. Then we govern as if anyone who doesn't agree with us does not belong in the room with us, much less at the table.

Too many Democrats decided that the only thing wrong with the way Bush/Cheney governed was that they moved policy in the wrong direction. No sooner had Democrats taken the reins of power than they tried to duplicate Bush's governing style - claiming a mandate in the absence of consensus. Convinced of their rightness - or righteousness - they never reached out to the people on the other side.

Thurman Hart :: We lose when we forget
Sure, there were and are people who were never going to agree with President Obama and Congressional Democrats. But the refusal to conduct widespread and concerted outreach led to a hardening of that attitude. And, since the other side has a ready-made noise machine, their ability to shout their message while we didn't even whisper ours contributed to an electorally-deadly environment. As President Obama said recently, we didn't conduct adequate PR.

But the reason we didn't conduct adequate PR - the reason our whisper failed to resound - is that we never tried to understand our opponents. Those people out in Jesusland are just a bunch of superstitious fools who can't understand science and refuse to believe the facts when they are plainly presented. Why even bother?

We'll, as Upton Sinclair said, "It's difficult to get someone to believe something when their livelihood depends on not believing it." It's hard to convince someone that universal healthcare is not socialism and isn't going to destroy our country when their entire sense of reality depends on it being true - when their whole reason for getting up and going to a job they hate everyday and working until their bones ache depends on believing that those things are not rights, but have to be won through the blood, sweat, and tears that a man and woman sheds in willing sacrifice to their families - and as an unwilling sacrifice to a corporate machine that has always placed profits over people and privilege over humanity.

The people who have opposed Democrats this election, by and large, are not evil people. Nor are they stupid. Nor are they even misled. They are working for what they see as their self-interest. That our policies do not align with that view is our failure, not theirs. As Don Shula taught, a superior view accepts blame while an inferior view gives it. It's time Democrats learned to be a superior political party.

Alexis de Tocqueville wrote nearly a hundred years ago, "America is great because America is good." He commented on the number of churches and benevolent associations that promoted civic life and involvement. He also predicted, "America will cease to be great when it ceases to be good." Again, this is informative of a political party.

New Jersey has mid-terms next year, and despite rumors to the contrary, the election does not start tomorrow. It starts today. It starts with us realizing that the Democratic Party works best when it is truly a "big tent" party and when it doesn't deride its Blue Dogs for knowing their districts and voting appropriately. And it works best when it doesn't emulate the worst aspects of the Republican Party apparatus.

We don't need to spread lies and falsehoods. We have truth on our side. But the truth has no voice but our own. And if we give truth the voice of derision and condescension, then we will surely reap what we sow. To be trusted with governing, we must do more than show that the other side is less trustworthy. We have to show that we are, ourselves, as trustworthy is disagreement as we are in accord.

I don't mean to say that mistakes weren't made or that obstructionists weren't active. They were. But there is no problem faced in the past two years that would not have been lessened with greater understanding and engagement. There is no success that would have have been greater with more understanding and engagement.

Anyone who knows my writing knows that I'm not afraid to throw a well-aimed punch (and sometimes, less-than-well-aimed). But what if what we need to win isn't a generation of Progressive warriors, but a generation of Progressive diplomats? We can't bring America together by driving its people apart. There are enough people trying to do that.

Election '11 starts today. It starts by looking past the victory dance of Tea Partiers and the bragging of Republicans. It starts by looking for the reason they are happy to see people dedicated to removing their ability to seek medical care when they choose to do so. It starts by looking for common ground on the values that have always been at the core of the American identity - and understanding that those values sometimes directly conflict.

We have to be the change we wish to see in our country, our state, and our communities. Because if we cannot do that, then our ideals are not realistic anyway. I believe they are realistic - and that they are worth fighting and even dying for. But they are also worth living for. And they are worth the hard work of educating and convincing the American public.

The King is dead. Long live the King.

Let's get to work.

Update: Thanks to Micah Sifry - a retiring Democrat's view.

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I just have to say (3.80 / 5)
This seems completely meaningless to me. Obama tries to be a diplomat and seeks compromise at every turn. Republicans and Blue Dogs spit in his face at every turn.  And that is turn is presented as Obama being extreme, so much so that TH is lecturing Democrats!  "But there is no problem faced in the past two years that would not have been lessened with greater understanding and engagement."  No, the Republicans in Congress made a strategic decision that they would benefit from failure and gridlock. That they were correct does not mean they did not make that choice.

But the real failure is that the economy is still terrible, and after 2 years of a Democratic President and 4 of a Democratic Congress voters were ready to throw them out.  That has nothing to do with PR but real failure.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch


This is true (0.00 / 0)
but I'm not talking about reaching out to John Boehner. I'm talking about reaching out to the people in John Boehner's district.  It's a very different action, a very different strategy, and a very different mindframe than the surface-level search for bipartisanship that Obama has supposedly given us.

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secession would be easier (0.00 / 0)
There is not enough time, money, and manpower to get a progressive message across to people who are as batshit crazy or completely stupid as so many of the teabagging wingnuts are.

As problematic as things like "literacy tests" have been in our country's past, part of me thinks that the only solution is some kind of political comprehension test that would put the responsibility for educating voters onto the voters rather than the candidates.

Psychological testing might not be the worst idea either.  If convicts can have their right to vote taken away, the same should probably happen to the politically insane.


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Problematic but I'm for... (0.00 / 0)
A short, 3rd grade level Civics, open book questionaire?

mmgth

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How about... (0.00 / 0)
...something along the lines of the test that immigrants have to pass to become citizens, but focused more on comprehension of the issues and where candidates stand on them?

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In 1964 Conservatives were discredited (0.00 / 0)
and as badly disgraced as anyone could be in the political arena. Do you think they came to be the predominant force in American politics by this sort of idiotic talk?


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but..... (0.00 / 0)
how?

how to get that message to those voters?  How do point to the policies pushed, the votes cast, the message they have been receiving for so long and to do that?

Case in point - this is something that Tod Theise in NJ-5 spent most of his campaign doing - reaching out to those "disaffected" tea partiers, to the indies and righties who "should" dislike Garrett.

He did it to the detriment of reaching out to Democratic voters.  And I'm very interested to see how that plays.

Now, that is a very VERY different situation from Obama or someone else with power and some level of credibility.  But still....how does this get done?

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.


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You can't start with policies (0.00 / 0)
I don't think anything is going to happen in NJ-5. And I don't think it is something to take on one district at a time - though that's better than nothing.

As to how to do it...well, the earlier Progressives did it through music and literature and public speaking (when that was a form of entertainment). I still think Progressives haven't figured out how to use the TV effectively.

I don't have all the answers, or even many of them. But I think we need to ask ourselves some hard questions - and understand that purging ourselves means cutting ourselves off from the majority of people in the country. They aren't our enemy. They are our target audience.


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The issue.... (0.00 / 0)
...is what is important to each of the types of people.  If you haven't seen it I recommend you look at Jonathan Haidt's TED talk on what makes conservatives and liberals tick here:

http://www.ted.com/index.php/t...

What we honor most controls how we choose to respond to issues and how we think our country should be governed.  The problem is diplomacy doesn't necessarily do anything to bring people together, because no matter what, people still think the way they think, and it won't change their minds, even if we are diplomatic.

Am I clear enough? Maybe not. Watch the talk and then think about it.

--*Rob


I think it's a good video (0.00 / 0)
As the speaker says, "If our goal is to seek a deeper understanding of the world; then our general lack of moral diversity is going to make it harder."

Whether we are seeking a deeper understanding of the world or building a bigger political party, that holds true. I don't think we need to change what we believe to allow other people to hold moral variants - and, if we can understand their moral variants, then we can understand how to deliver our message in a way that resonates with their viewpoint.

Or, as he says, "If you think Republicans vote like this because they are dumb; then you are trapped in a moral Matrix."

Good site, Rob. And a good video.

You are right - diplomacy doesn't always work. But when it does work it works because the people involved in the negotiations honestly care about the outcome even for people who don't agree with them.  


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The thing is.... (0.00 / 0)
....if you show that video to most conservatives - do you know what happens?  They dismiss it as educated liberal hokum.  Even smart ones.

--*Rob


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Well (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't intending on showing it to them. But I do know that I've had some success in explaining liberal positions based on conservative values to friends and family back in Texas and New Mexico. But I've spent a lot of time reading conservative screeds. Occupational hazard.

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What I meant was... (4.00 / 1)
....they don't understand HOW their brains work, nor do they want to.  They know what they are like and say "f 'em" to anyone who doesn't work the way they work.  How do you work with someone whose mind is closed, versus the liberal mind - who at least is open to understanding WHY they are the way they are?

--*Rob


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Forget core Democratic principles? (0.00 / 0)
As engaging and thoughtful as this post is...and with all due respect, sorry to say some of the kumbaya crap makes me want to puke. De Toqueville said "... America is good..." not meaning the baseness of the "intellectually"  lazy American voter being tapped by the Tea Party in MORE than the small number you assert. As far as I am concerned there is no room in "the Dem. tent" for those that would undermine American principles (not to mention the party's) at the behest of the Fox/ right talk corporate shills. I agree that the Dems. have fallen short in selling their accomplishments but as far as accomodating the racist, backward, worst of the voter pool as well as the intellectually lazy that are incapable of critical thought and the blue dog legislators representing them ... No damn way.          

mmgth

Then I hope you enjoy (0.00 / 0)
being in the minority party. Because until you reach enough people who aren't with you now, that's where you'll be permanently.

And at no place to I suggest "selling out" anything. That's just a strawman argument with no legs at all.


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Stand by " no room in the tent" (0.00 / 0)
Upton Sinclair was a Socialist. I believe quoting him to make a case for Democratics accomodating the most extreme heartless, version of Capitalistic exploitation at work in the Republican/teaparty fanbase is bizarre. Ah, sorry but you got that wrong . ..."That our party's policies do not align with their (right talk radio dictated) "self interests" is our failing? is not suggesting selling out? The Republicans can now buy elections. That's what has to change. Not the Democratic party principles.  

mmgth

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Um... (0.00 / 0)
No where does Thurman suggest changing your principles.

The Republicans can now buy elections.

And democrats don't? I think it's that kind of close mindedness (I'm right, I'm smarter... they're just wrong and dumb) is what I believe Thurman is trying to address.


"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


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At no point (0.00 / 0)
did I say we should be "accomodating" anyone or anything. I said we have to reach out to new people and speak to them in a language they understand with a message that resonates with them. It's simple math - if you continue to deliver the same message it will reach the same people and you will be stuck in the same place.

Personally, I don't like losing.  


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once again (0.00 / 0)
Seceding would be much easier and effective than trying to reach out to teabagging wingnuts and speak to them in a language they understand with a message that resonates with them.

I don't speak in tongues.  Do you?


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I don't speak in tongues (0.00 / 0)
but I don't speak in dumbass either. And secession, regardless of who brings it up, is pure dumbass.

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YO (0.00 / 0)
Ah, and what is not understanding hyperbole? Pure... ? Last word. NJ-5

mmgth

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Hyperbole (0.00 / 0)
has its place. Knowing when and where that is could be considered an important people skill. This is neither.

I don't understand what you mean by, "NJ-5." Are you saying it is hopeless and the people there deserve our derision? Again, that doesn't seem like the way to build a lasting majority.


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Since the US is deeply in debt to China, (3.00 / 1)
and we don't really make anything of consequence anymore, the next 50 years or so will be about managing a declining empire as the living standards of all of us slide further and further down.  It will be a rough ride for some of us, but the corporate message that dominates our media today will start to ring hollow as the slide gains momentum.  At some point, the bread and circus's mentality that rules today will fade and people will start to engage real issues in a meaningful way.  Right now, prosperity has distracted our view of the way society works and when it stops working, we will all be forced to confront the reality of the situation that we all find ourselves in.  

Scary (4.00 / 1)
but I think it rings true.  The proof is that you have people like Christie who try their hardest to bust unions and remove benefits to acheive comparability to the "private sector".  Without unions to achieve decent wages and benefits the American worker will succumb to Walmart type employment.  The GOP wants more deregulation so that corporations can make more money and treat employees worse.  The Gop wants to roll back health care reform so its cost can continue to skyrocket and leave more and more people behind.  The GOP wants to ignor science, continue to plunder the earth and walk away from alternative energy manufacturing that we may be able to do here.  I am afraid you are right

"Only a fool would follow a bully"

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