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Christie Running in 2012

by: deciminyan

Sun Oct 17, 2010 at 01:12:54 PM EDT



promoted by Rosi
Cross-posted from deciminyan

All signs are pointing to a Chris Christie campaign to be on the 2012 presidential ticket.  He has started this campaign already by crisscrossing the country to promote Republican candidates in state-wide races.  But up until recently, he has not proactively promoted the conservative social agenda.  Yes, he is anti-choice and against marriage equality, but he has not yet pursued these measures with the same "in-your-face" approach as he has with his vendetta against public education and teachers.  He is aware of the large number of his New Jersey constituents who still want social justice, and is more circumspect with regard to promoting the conservative line on women's issues and gay rights.  His relatively low-key approach is most likely designed to avoid firing up the opposition and maintaining as low a profile as he can here.  But to become a national figure, Christie needs to demonstrate his embrace of the right-wing social agenda.

Christie's approach to implementing the conservative platform is not subtle, but more incremental.  He pleased his base by vetoing a $7.5 million bill for women's health services even as he approved a gigantic tax cut for millionaires.  Now, he is embracing another Palinesque initiative - abstinence education.  Despite the fact that our schools are in dire financial straits and that it has been shown that such initiatives do nothing to stem the rates of teenage pregnancy, the Governor is promoting a $1 million program to tell teenagers to "just say no".  

Ratcheting up the right wing agenda is not the only sign that Christie has national ambitions.  If you think his gallivanting around the country is limited to the upcoming elections, you are mistaken.  He is already on the post-election tea party lecture circuit.

It has often been said that every state governor has presidential ambitions, and it's difficult to find a politician more ambitious than Chris Christie.  And there are lots of reasons for him to make his move in 2012.

Given the secret funding of Republican candidates by shadow groups, the fact that the GOP has a propaganda arm in Fox News that is second to none, including Pravda, and the fact that the 2012 election will be the first under the census redistricting controlled mostly by Republican governors, there's a good chance that Barack Obama will be a one-term president.  If Christie is not on the 2012 ticket, his next chance to run for national office could potentially be 2020 - a lifetime in presidential politics.  Sure, he'll be only 58 years old then, but he will have had a much longer track record of mistakes and miscues than he has today.  And the demographics of the electorate will be different, with a larger percentage of the non-white population included in the mix.

So is Christie aiming for the top slot, or looking to become Joe Biden's successor?  The way the stars are aligned today, it seems unlikely that he would be successful in challenging Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, or Mike Huckabee.  But why would someone as ambitious as Christie settle for the number two spot?  This question can be answered in two words:  Dick Cheney.  Cheney was the second in command to a weak, clueless, and gaffe-prone George W Bush.  Christie may view himself in the same powerful role under a President Palin.  And without any debilitating health problems like those that plagued Mr. Cheney, Christie would then be viable as a 2020 candidate at the top of the ticket.  Of course, there's plenty of time for the top contenders to stumble, leaving room for the Meshuggineh from Mendham to step in.

The only significant impediment to a Christie run is his lack of foreign policy experience.  To the xenophobic Tea Party, this is not a significant issue because diplomacy requires nuance, and the GOP does not do nuance.  But it might be an important issue to the rest of the electorate, especially given that we will still be in combat in Afghanistan and Iraq, and possibly Pakistan, when the election comes around.  So watch for Christie to ramp up his foreign policy creds - perhaps by participating in missions abroad to promote New Jersey business, or perhaps by participating on foreign junkets with some of his congressional friends.  Such actions would confirm his desire to be on the 2012 ticket.

Christie is smart to lay back and let the big guns fight it out right now.  But don't be surprised to see our absentee governor vacationing in Iowa or New Hampshire next year.

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Let him run (0.00 / 0)
Arrogance and ego will both work for him and against him.

Christie is the flavor of the month. He is loving it. Great. Have fun. Sooner or later his tactic of blaming everyone else will come back to haunt him.

Sooner or later voters want results.

As of now he is not delivering. The reason he is not delivering is because he cannot come to reasonable agreements with the Legislature. His arrogance is standing in the way.

Many on this site have criticized Senate President Sweeney but the results so far have shown that even though Christie has huffed and puffed a more moderate Sweeney has gotten his way.

Remember the 2% Constitutional cap? Sweeney smoked him on that.

Manipulating the State Supreme Court? Sweeney held him off on that one.

Massive state worker layoffs? Never happened.

Poorly planned pension and health plan reform? It now appears that will have to go to the negotiation table with the state worker unions.

Gutting civil service? Not happening like Christie wanted.

Christie will either learn the hard way or he will remain driven by his ego. In order to govern you must compromise. " Calling people out" works only for a short period of time.

Voters are not dumb.

Christie better enjoy his time in the limelight. Next year the whoel legislature is up for reelection and if he cannot deliver a victory for the GOP here his star will sink fast.  


Christie's "star" (0.00 / 0)
"Next year the whoel legislature is up for reelection and if he cannot deliver a victory for the GOP here his star will sink fast. "

It will sink sooner than that this year if Greenstein picks up a Senate seat for Democrats and GOP congressional challengers to Democratic incumbents like Adler and Holt go down the toilet.  

http://christiegonewild.blogsp...


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Not delivering??? (0.00 / 0)
He said he would cut the budget,... and he did.

Voters are NOT dumb. And this is why he still polls better than 50% even though he's put through the most draconian (but necessary, in my view) budget in decades.
 

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


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Seriously? (0.00 / 0)
Not sure what you are doing on BLUE Jersey. Christie allegedly cut the budget on the backs of union workers and  by playing accounting games. Voters in N.J. that are responsible for his election are beyond dumb.

mmgth

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Seriously? (0.00 / 0)
I read/comment to debate the issues intelligently and keep informed.

Christie allegedly cut the budget on the backs of union workers and  by playing accounting games.

Was he supposed to cut those 'non-unionized' goverment workers? Are they any? Which accounting game makes this year's total spending less than last year's? Ask people who lost their rebates, women's health services, and districts that lost teachers, I bet they don't think the cuts were 'accounting games'.

I guess the voters are only intelligent when they elect your candidates?


"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


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Christie and "abstinence" (0.00 / 0)
"Now, he is embracing another Palinesque initiative - abstinence education.  Despite the fact that our schools are in dire financial straits and that it has been shown that such initiatives do nothing to stem the rates of teenage pregnancy, the Governor is promoting a $1 million program to tell teenagers to "just say no".  

The $1 million for "abstinence" is mandated as part of a $4.7 million federal grant to prevent teenage pregnancy.  If someone has an objection to the "abstinence" mandate they should take it up with President Obama, or the Democratic congressional leadership.

As a parent of two adolescents I support abstinence education as the only guaranteed way to avoid not just pregnancy but STDs as well.  However, I also support educating kids on all the options available to them, along with the risks of using them.

http://christiegonewild.blogsp...


Strings (0.00 / 0)
So Christie doesn't mind taking federal dollars with strings attached so long as those dollars comply with his social agenda.

Blog: http://www.deciminyan.org

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Teenage pregnancy (0.00 / 0)
If educating teenagers about birth control, including but not limited to abstinence, is part of some rightwing social agenda it's news to me.  And since $3.7 million out of the total grant for $4.7 million goes to educate kids about birth control which doesn't include abstinence, it seems to me progressives would welcome Christie's decision to accept the grant.  Is it the position of progressive Democrats that discussion of abstinence be excluded from any educational program to prevent teenage pregnancy?

If Christie wanted to appease the local Taliban chieftens like Steve Lonegan and Mike Doherty he would have taken the one million to teach abstinence and rejected the other 3.7 million which can be used for alternative birth control options.

If there is any hypocrisy here it would be on the part of the local Taliban who oppose any kind of federal funding for education unless it complies with their strict moralitarian standards.

http://christiegonewild.blogsp...


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Actually that's not true (0.00 / 0)
These are two separate programs.  The Governor could have applied for just abstinence money, or just teen pregnancy prevention, or both.  He applied for both. For the record, I think its great the administration applied for the teen pregnancy prevention money.  And, I also think that abstinence should be part of any sex ed program.  Just not the ONLY part.  

Here's the link on the two grants:
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/...

Visit us at www.womenshealthmattersnj.org!


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Mea culpa (0.00 / 0)
My mistake.  I misread the original article.  I perceived an implication that it was all one grant with the provision that one-fifth must be spent on abstinence.  I went to the links you provided and they are, as you pointed out, two entirely separate grants.

However, I also agree with you that abstinence must be included with all the other options.  Just as it would be ridiculous to teach "abstinence only" without reference to other birth control options, it would be equally counterproductive not to include abstinence, along with other methods of birth control, as the only sure way to avoid pregnancy and STDs.

BTW, I noticed that two other "uberrightwing social neanderthals", Ed Rendell and David Paterson, also applied for abstinence money.

http://christiegonewild.blogsp...


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VP much more likely than P (0.00 / 0)
I have a hard time seeing Christie take his second year in office off to campaign for the Presidency.  As popular as he might be right now, I think that it would be very risky of him to try to cash in on that popularity right now, when time could enable him to become even more popular than he is right now.

If he spends 2011 running for President, he will make it virtually impossible for Republicans in NJ to regain control of the Assembly and the Senate.  If he continues to govern in the way that has made him so popular and the Republicans successfully regain control of the Assembly and Senate, he will be able to pursue policies and craft a budget in June 2012 that will skyrocket him to the top of the VP race that will be decided shortly thereafter.

If Sarah Palin wins the Republican Presidential nomination, as I predict she will, Christie will be a perfect match for her.  He doesn't match up nearly as well with Mitt Romney or any of the other likely front-runners.  If Palin-Christie lose, as I hope that they would, it will most likely not be Christie's fault as he would not be the kind of drag on the ticket that Palin was in 2008.

If the economy improves slowly but surely over the next two years as many predict that it will, Christie will, fairly or unfairly, get a boost from that and be even more tough to beat in 2013 than Christie Whitman was in 1997, which means that it is unlikely that he will face a strong re-election challenge and Republicans would most likely retain their majority during that election cycle, enabling him to continue to govern in the manner that he has, grow his popularity even further, and position himself for a 2016 Presidential run where he would be very tough to beat.

Despite the fact that he has been a terrible Governor, Christie has conversely been a very smart politician, who has been far more successful in getting as much as he has been able to get out of a state legislature that has been controlled by the opposition party.  I am not aware of any Governor anywhere who has been as successful as he has been in this regard.

I think that it could be possible to get a sense of how serious Christie's national ambitions truly are by paying close attention to the redistricting process.  It is possible, if not likely, that Christie (through his representatives on the respective redistricting commissions) could cut a deal with Sweeney (through his representatives on the respective redistricting commissions) to draw a congressional map that is more Republican-friendly than the current map and a legislative map that is more Democratic-friendly than the current map.  If Runyan beats Adler in November, which I predict he will, and everything else remains the same, the Democrats will have a 7-6 advantage going into redistricting, which will most likely result in the loss of a seat.

If Christie wants to score points with national Republicans, he could target Rush Holt by putting him in the same district as Frank Pallone and forcing the two of them to face off in a Democratic primary or by putting Holt in the same district as either Leonard Lance or Chris Smith with a demographic that is similar or even more conservative than his former district, which he won in two elections by very narrow margins.

He could also target Bill Pascrell Jr. and/or Steve Rothman by placing both/either in the same districts as Rodney Frelinghuysen and/or Scott Garrett.  He could even defend such a map with the argument that New Jerseyans deserve more competive Congressional districts that would require representatives to be more responsive to the needs of their constituents.  However, the flipside of this perspective is that a district that might be competitive during a high-turnout Presidential election cycle could lean Republican during a lower-turnout midterm election.

While Holt-Lance/Smith, Pascrell-Frelinghuysen, and Rothman-Garrett could offer a significant amount of drama for political junkies and voters alike, they could also dramatically alter the political landscape in the state and the country for the next decade.  Conversely, if Christie fights hard for a more Republican-friendly legislative map and the congressional map remains as incumbent-friendly as it currently is, then an argument could be made that Christie's focus is more on his state agenda than his national ambitions.

Obviously, a tradeoff like this would make it harder for Republicans to regain control of the Assembly and Senate in 2011 and retain it in 2013, which Christie needs to be able to do everything that he wants to do going forward, but that is a political calculation that he will have to make.

If becoming President is his endgame, he might be better off settling for getting 75% of what he wants from a Democratic legislature and being able to claim credit for increasing the number of Republicans in the House than he would be if Republicans win the state legislature and he can get 100% of what he wants.

If Democrats in Trenton want to prevent Christie from becoming Vice President in 2012 or President in 2016, the first thing that they should consider doing is stop giving him as much as they have given him to date.


is he a perfect match for her? (0.00 / 0)
Palin -- and I shudder at that -- would need to look for foreign policy experience, a general or foreign policy expert, perferably someone reassuring to the media and the establishment. (Hence, Bush picking Cheney.) I don't think Christie can assume he'd be the VP pick, especially when polling around 50% implies he couldn't deliver NJ.  

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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fair point (0.00 / 0)
I don't think that the Bush/Cheney and Obama/Biden models are the only options.  Presidents can get foreign policy support from a number of places, including but not limited to their cabinet appointments.

That said, you might be right.  I could definitely see her or any of her fellow gubernatorial competitors (Barbour, Huckabee, Pawlenty, Romney, et al) go with someone like Stanley McChrystal, particularly considering the itch that he probably has to take Obama/Biden (or Clinton) on after the way that things between them went down.

That said, if Christie continues to be successful over the next two years in getting what he wants from a "hostile" Democratic legislature or is successful at leading next year's effort to reclaim Republican control over the state legislature and gets a model Republican budget passed in June 2012, he will have far more star power than any other prospective Republican VP contender, including but not limited to Christie.

Also, as his power within the state increases, he will have the ability to leverage that power in 2011 and 2012 through our state's traditional role as the Presidential candidates' ATM.  This will be especially true if, as I have predicted, he remains neutral and joins with both Democratic and Republican legislators in advocating for the state's Presidential primary election to be held in June on the same day as the rest of the state's primary elections.

Because of the cost of elections in the state both for the county boards of elections and the candidates, I do not believe that this will be a hard sell. Also, Christie et al will be able to use the Clinton-Obama primary election as an example of how long a Presidential primary election can go and how relevant the later states can be.

By being a source of campaign cash for all of the top candidates in the field, remaining neutral, pushing one of the most expensive primary election states in the country to the back of the pack, and most important of all, expanding his own popularity and prominence within his party, he will undoubtedly be a top VP contender, especially if Palin wins the nomination for the GOP.

I guess that even more than him being a perfect match for her, Palin would be a perfect match for him.  If she wins, she will have to select a VP who is slightly more moderate than herself, who is still acceptable to the base.  If Romney wins, he will have to pick a teabagging wingnut like Michelle Bachman to run with him.  It is harder to predict who best matches with the others, but since none of them seem like serious contenders, it doesn't seem worth the mental energy to try.

As perfect as Palin would be for Christie, I do not foresee him being such a gambler to endorse early and throw all of his weight (no slur intended, especially coming from me) behind her as it is possible that someone other than Palin or Romney could win the nomination and decide that Christie is their guy.


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U.S. Attorney General Christie? (0.00 / 0)
Christie Whitman wound up with a Cabinet position, and that may be the most likely outcome for Chris Christie's ambitions about heading to D.C..  

The only Cabinet position Christie is qualified for is A.G.  
I may be wrong, but I think Christie is bucking for that appointment, with a chance at being a Supreme Court Justice. In the meantime he's "paying his dues" to the National Republican Party.


you might be right, but... (0.00 / 0)
...Christie doesn't have to spend 2011 and 2012 running for President to position himself for that job.  He can just continue doing what he has been doing as well as some of the things that I have described in my other comment to do that.

I also think that if Christie runs for President and the Christie that we have seen over the past few years is the Christie that goes on the national campaign trail, he could make more enemies than allies, and would also have a tougher time governing, advancing his agenda, and working to elect Republican majorities in the Assembly and Senate in 2011, all of which can play a role in positioning him to be a VP or Cabinet contender.


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Watching Mad Men then reading mad comments (0.00 / 0)
Christie has a law degree from Seton Hall (no offense, great school but not top tier) and a family tie (by marriage) to the Genovese family, virtually no court room experiece and couldn't get elected to anything 'til Rove had him appointed U.S. Attorney for his fund raising for G.W. Bush. His incompetence as Governor is getting national attention. Attorney General? Supreme Court? These comments are surreal.  

mmgth

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Christie's Cabinet Position (0.00 / 0)
{sarcasm on}Maybe he would be appointed to be Secretary of Education based on his track record in NJ  {sarcasm off}

Blog: http://www.deciminyan.org

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no sarcasm necessary (0.00 / 0)
If James Watt can be appointed to run the Department of the Interior, then Chris Christie can be appointed Secretary of Education.  If Sarah Palin can be elected President, which I believe that she can be, anything is possible.  As I have said before, the world is supposed to come to an end by December 2012 anyway, so this is all academic.  One way or another, we're doomed.

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Christie is an authoritarian (0.00 / 0)
shameless self promotion, but true:

Christie's Authoritarian Shock Doctrine for NJ's Environment

http://www.wolfenotes.com/2010...


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