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NJ Congressional Candidate Roland Straten's Nutley Townhall: It's All About "Them"

by: johnleesandiego

Fri Oct 15, 2010 at 01:08:30 PM EDT



Police detectives talking God and socialism and traditional marriage ... firefighters talking Ground Zero Victory Mosque ... "Sand Flea" talk from the audience   ... Um Wow. - promoted by Rosi

Roland Straten held a Town Hall Meeting on homeland security in Nutley NJ Tuesday night October 12 in his campaign to unseat incumbent William Pascrell Junior as Congressman from New Jersey's 8th Congressional District. The evening revealed more about his supporters than the candidate.

The candidate spoke briefly, touching on his background as a business owner and his belief that people are in a better position to make choices than government. Straten's campaign uses the mantras of "Less Government" and "Lower Taxes" which seemed okay, but his choice of guest speakers provided irony to the evening. Both speakers have worked their entire lives on the public payroll.

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johnleesandiego :: NJ Congressional Candidate Roland Straten's Nutley Townhall: It's All About "Them"
Nutley Police Detective Steve Rogers, the first of two guest  speakers, read a prepared speech that was heavy on buzzwords such as "roots of conservatism", "faith in god", and allusions to the founding fathers in 1776 but offered little in terms of detail except when he linked the "sanctity of life and traditional marriage" to the threats to national security. There was no further mention of how either concept affected the national well being, the audience just took it as fact.

Shifting gears just a bit, Rogers said the nation as "burning the embers of socialism" and the government was "leading us down a path of socialism" which are both sound bytes that one comes to expect at an event like this. Fair enough.

But what made Steve Rogers' message interesting was the messenger: Rogers serves as a detective in Nutley (government paycheck) and also in the Naval Reserve (government paycheck). If the message is socialism, surely there could have been someone who is not on the public dole to address the problem. (unless there are not many in the business community who support Roland Straten)

Fabrizio Bivona, a firefighter and RN who was a first responder on September 11 provided some of the more colorful imagery of the evening. As the theme of the evening was Homeland Securtity, Bivona told stories that was more suited for Hollywood than Homeland Security.

Beginning by telling the the audience that "there is a bull's eye on each and every one of us" and "they (Muslims) don't have a problem killing children ... that is what their God is telling them" Bivona played up the fear card as if reading from a FoxNews tele-prompter discussing how even moderate Muslims support "homicide bombers" (a term used only on Fox). "They are coming" .. "it's not what I say, it's what they say." He even punted the phrase "Victory Mosque at Ground Zero" to the audicence. Bivona didn't cite any sources as he made strung his scary yet colorful sound bytes together.

Straten's campaign manager then opened a peroid of questions and reintroduced the guest speakers using the term "experts" to describe them.

A question about illegal immigration prompted Bivona to reply that Phoenix is setting records for beheading and is number two in the world for kidnappings. Months ago the stories of beheadings and kidnappings were proven to be crazy internet rumors, with nary a one law enforcement agency to back up those claims. So much for being an expert.

Rogers jumped on the Illegal Immigration bandwagon stating that illegal immigration is the cause of the drug problem in the US. But if he were an expert he would know that illegal drugs are coming into the US primarily because the people in the suburbs are demanding them (if there was no demand there would be no supply). Rogers completely failed to point any blame on the Americans using the drugs, instead made the drug crisis an issue that falls squarely on the backs of immmigrants. (An expert would also know that someone who could make lots of money running drugs would not chose to clean toilets or pick lettuce between runs to the border, so his expertise failed here too).  

The evening ended with a someone bitter-sounding old man making proclamations about Islam being "sand fleas." The audience laughed. He then called on Israel to nuke the entire Middle East. Everyone just let the guy speak without regard for the extremism he was espousing.  

What struck me most about the Town Hall was that Roland Straten neither confirmed nor denied the assertions made, not the lies about beheadings, not the false claims about Islam, not the race baiting of Mexicans, not even "Mr Sand Flea."

The candidate just stood at this Nutley Town Hall meeting in a well appointed suit with a look on his face of a beloved elderly uncle who didn't understand the dirty joke that was just told at the Thanksgiving dinner table.  (either that or he was left speechless but the broad strokes of hatred that were painted in a meeting that was supposed to be about him).

About 36 people, including campaign staff and guest speakers, attended the meeting at the Nutley Red Cross Building.

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It sounds like Straten gathered (4.00 / 1)
a group of Teabagger Tourette's patients.
If it were up to Straten, government would be a for profit business like Lehman Brothers, AIG or Enron.
The thought disorders and loose associations were underlined with bigotry, paranoia and fear, a time bomb in search of a clock .
That Roland remained silent speaks volumes on where he stands on democracy and human rights.
What's next for the Straten campaign, a night of hand guns and hard liquor?  

Restore democracy and the Constitution for which it stands.

Pardon, your bias is showing ... (1.00 / 1)
Protecting the lives of citizens is the first obligation of government, if government can't do that - the rest falls apart. There is no liberty or right to the fruits of one's labor if there is no security. By the same token, security without liberty is a false promise - since someone more powerful can take your life, liberty or property away at will.

The 9/11 attacks forced us to face this difficult problem and while the author, like so many on the left, wants to take everything to the limit of either/or, most Americans understand that their lives and liberty are in jeopardy unless and until we squarely face the enemy. The point the "experts" made, was that the giant awakened on 9/11 has fallen asleep again and that the threat is real. Counter-Terrorism and Homeland Security are functions of government - it would make no sense to bring in "private-sector" experts on this subject - they would not have the experience with the the day to day battle as do Bivona and Rogers. And this author would then have invoked Blackwater and the liberal mantra of military industrial complex had Straten brought in private sector experts.

Contrary to the author's assertions, Straten described his experiences as a Naval officer during Vietnam and the effects of it's aftermath on soldiers and on our National Security and made a credible case for his commitment to not let politics influence his decisions. He also made the broader point that economic prosperity and free markets are an essential component of  both safety and liberty.

As to Roger's discussion of virtue and rule of law - which the author disparages as platitudes - a civil and free society, governed by the people and for the people, requires that the people themselves exhibit virtue and civil behavior. To be free ourselves we must respect the freedoms and rights of others. However, civility is not a suicide pact and requires that the whole of society reject those who violate our compact with each other.

The experts and Straten repeatedly stressed that not all Muslims are terrorists, and that profiling any group of people is unacceptable. However, we cannot afford to, in the name of political correctness, stick our heads in the sand. Nor can we ignore the war that is going on at our border and on our streets. To do so puts every one of us in jeapardy. You can't fight an enemy you refuse to name. Both Bivona and Rogers cited specific examples from their own recent encounters on the job - Roger's being right here in Nutley.

The voter who made the "sand fleas" comment was the last question of the night and did not reflect the thoughtful character of previous questions. He was an older gentleman and quite obviously enjoyed his moment as a "comedian." While his language was colorful, blunt and offensive - had he made statements from the other side in the same vein on Bill Mahr's show or John Stewart's, I expect the author would laugh hysterically. Or, worse take him seriously, since the author of this article parrots both of those comedians in his characterization of Straten supporters as bigots and worse. Further, his tired arguments are the exact same as those made by comedians Mahr and Stewart. He states that the  incidents cited by Bivona are a lie. The author's assertions sound like the old Groucho Marx line, "Who are you going to believe, me, or your own eyes and ears?" The brutal murder that prompted Arizona's controversial immigration law - which conveniently is left out of left wing arguments- reveals the author's blinders - as do the Federal bans on visitors to recreation areas on our own soil due to the threat of attack by those who cross our borders illegally. Whatever happened to speaking truth to power?

Tn short, the author offers his own prejudices as a sober critique of the event and fails to see that his own bias is showing. He ought to look real close in a mirror.


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Yes! My bias is showing! (0.00 / 0)
I am not going to sit back and let a couple of bullies blame whole classes of people and an entire faith community just because they feel entitled to do so. Yes, I am biased, I will stand up to bullies, and to those who are bullied.

Um, and if Straten really was tolerant, he would not have told a story about how the madrasas supposedly teach children to shout "death to America" without knowing what it really meant. If Bivona were tolerant he would not not have told the lies about "Arizona is setting records for beheadings." If you read closely you would realize that I found it ironic that someone getting at least two government paychecks is not the best choice to cite "socialism" as a threat to National Security.

In the last year the number of people beheaded in Phoenix is zero. The number of people in the US killed by terrorists in the last year is zero; in each of the 9 years since 911, MADD, NHSI, and AAA put the number of people killed by drunk drivers in the US at 15,000 - 18,000 annually - that's 5 - 6 Twin Towers every year!  Alcohol is a bigger threat to my security, and your security, that Islam and Illegal Immigrants ever will be. But you don't see me portraying Jack Daniels, Jim Bean or the St Pauli Girl as threats to me. I know its the actions of individuals that pose a threat - not entire groups of people.   But if you want to believe the lies of Rogers and Bivona you are free to do so. Sometimes the thing that makes America great, is also the thing that makes us so funny.    


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Marine mom - that is BS (4.00 / 1)
John, your last paragraph leaves out some very important numbers.

Poor roads kill more people than drunk drivers per year:

http://beta.wnyc.org/articles/...

As for you not being biased - since when was it ok to be un-biased towards bigotry & lies?

I thought the point of journalism was to report the truth?

You didn't once bring up Steve Rogers vocal ballet at the BOE meeting where he shot down Mr. O'Dells mid east studies class with bigotry and hate.

Seriously, being BIASED AGAINST lies and hate is seriously less evil than BEING FILLED with lies and hate.


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the Rogers hate fest (0.00 / 0)
unfortunately I was not present for the Steve Rogers melt down but have read about his temper; including the recent incident at the Nutley BOE meeting  

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Pascrell Signs Gone / Straten Signs Abundent (0.00 / 0)
hmmmm. All of the Pascrell for Congress signs on East Passaic Avenue in Nutley are gone (the spikes remain in the ground, the signs are just torn off) yet all the Straten signs remain.

Gee whiz - I'm sure the Teabaggers in Nutley will find a way to pin this act of vandilism on Mexican immigrants or 'the Muslins' snort

(once i figure out hopw to post pictures I'll post the ones from last week with Pascrell signs and the Straten only scenes spotted today)


johnleesandiego (4.00 / 1)
Hit me up by email, I'll walk you through how to post pictures.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

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I've gone elle woods (0.00 / 0)
(ie uber smart blonde)

would this be the "contact @" address?


[ Parent ]
Elle Woods (0.00 / 0)
That would work!

Pictures are easy enough. I'll walk you through it.

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  


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