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The Adler/Runyan Debate

by: deciminyan

Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 11:43:10 PM EDT



Posted late last night, after the tense matchup. - promoted by Rosi

Tonight was the big showdown.  The first (and probably only) public debate between the diminutive incumbent, Congressman John Adler, and the leviathan ex-footballer Jon Runyan.



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deciminyan :: The Adler/Runyan Debate
The social hall at the Cherry Hill Jewish Community Center was filled 30 minutes before the start of the debate, and attendees were standing around the sides and back by the time the debate started.  Supporters from both sides were well-represented, although the Runyan supporters were clearly more vociferous.  But there was a solitary Adler supporter who yelled "hee-haw" (referring to Runyan's donkey tax deduction) every time Runyan made a point that the heckler disagreed with.  Ersatz Tea Party candidate Peter DeStefano was conspicuous by his physical absence, but his quixotic entry into the race was present in the discussion (Adler disavowed any participation in the DeStefano campaign "to the best of my knowledge.")

Following the candidates' opening remarks, the event was conducted in three parts.  First, a panel presented questions to each of the candidates.  Then each candidate presented questions to his opponent (these questions were prepared in advance), and finally there was an opportunity for the audience to question the candidates directly.

The panelists consisted of Dr. Myra Gutin of Rider University (who, by the way, is a nationally recognized academic on the topic of First Ladies), Leon Tucker who is managing editor of the Courier Post, and Julia Roberts (no, not that Julia Roberts) who is the chair of the young adult division of the South Jersey Jewish Federation.

The positions of both men are well known, especially Adler because he has a voting record from his first term.  Adler cited his experience by name-dropping of many of the people he's talked with in his short career on the Hill - from Barack Obama to Ben Bernanke to General David Petraeus to Benjamin Netanyahu.  Runyan touted his "tenacity" on the football field.   I'll highlight some of my impressions in areas that may not have received full coverage or where there are significant differences between the two candidates.

Government Spending.  Unsurprisingly, both candidates were in favor of cutting government spending.  They were asked to name specific areas where this could be accomplished.  Runyan's answers were very Christie-esque - across the board cuts to 2008 spending levels without consideration of priorities or changes to the external environment.  He would cut out (unspecific) waste and espoused that there are a number of "simple solutions" to getting spending under control like capping government pay and cutting back the number of government employees (although he did not specifically say where).  Adler cited instances where he voted for or would support cuts including agribusiness subsidies and repeal of the advanced income tax credit.  The congressman proudly announced that he voted against eight of twelve spending bills.  He proposed bringing all troops back home from Iraq - including the 50,000 we have there now - to help with the spending problem.

Energy.  Adler is adamantly against offshore drilling from New Jersey to Virginia and is a proponent of wind farms and nuclear power.  Runyan said that offshore drilling is a tenth amendment states' rights issue and the Federal government does not have the right to regulate offshore drilling.

Israel and Iran.  Both candidates are staunchly pro-Israel and would take action to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power.  Neither ruled out military action against Iran, but Alder would consider a naval blockade before air strikes.  He said the Senate has been dysfunctional on this and many other issues.  Runyan said "nothing is off the table" with regard to military action against Iran.  On the conflict with the Palestinians, Runyan said the United States should stay out of it and not pressure the two parties into anything.  Adler pointed out that a two-state solution is unrealistic in the short term because there is no one to negotiate with.  He said that the Palestinian Authority must unequivocally support Israel's right to exist before negotiations begin.  Runyan is in favor of moving the American embassy to Jerusalem.  Adler pointed out that this would have deleterious ramifications, and we should work this out with the Israelis.

Basic Rights.  While both candidates touted their independence from party doctrine (and Adler has clearly demonstrated that), Runyan pointed out that he is pro-choice.  When asked about support of laws that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, Adler said he has voted for such laws and would continue to do so.  Runyan's response was, "we are allowed to be different."

Second Amendment.  Adler said that certain weapons such as bazookas and machine guns should not be available to private citizens and that such bans have been upheld by the Supreme Court.  Runyan is not in favor of any limitations on weapon ownership.

Tort Reform.  Adler pointed out that he voted for tort reform when he was a state senator, and claimed that most doctors support his campaign.  Runyan took a swipe at lawyers and lamented the fact that most politicians are attorneys.  He cited the experience in Texas as a good example of tort reform (can anyone supply some background on Texas' approach?)

Education.  A question on education funding was asked by a Lenape High School student who was subsequently booed by the Tea Party contingent in the room.  Runyan stated that it is the personal responsibility of parents to "educate their child at home", although I don't think he was espousing universal home schooling.  Adler pointed out that his four children attended public schools and claimed "public schools are the key to America's future."  Neither candidate offered substantive solutions.

Health Care.  Adler said that even though he voted against the Affordable Care Act, he would not vote for repeal.  Instead, he would promote fixing those areas that he feels need improvement such as cost containment.  On Medicare, he pointed out that physician reimbursement needs to be increased in order to keep more doctors in the system.  Runyan said he would vote for complete repeal of what the Tea Party calls "Obamacare", although he then backtracked and said the ban on rejection for pre-existing conditions was a good idea.

Overall, Adler continued to hammer the fact that he is a centrist (he used the word "bipartisan"), even pointing out an instance where he co-sponsored a bill with right-wing extremist Scott Garrett.  Runyan's main points were anti-tax and small government.  In response to one of the many questions posed by Tea Partiers, both men agreed that President Obama is neither a Muslin nor a Socialist.

With the exception of the abortion issue, Runyan toes the Tea Party line completely.  He is in favor of the failed Bush economic policies and "nuance" and "compromise" don't seem to be in his vocabulary.  Adler is the "centrist" he claims to be - what we used to call a "moderate Republican".

We have a clear choice in November.  Yes, Adler is the lesser of two evils, but I'd rather be represented by an intelligent and independent thinker than an ex-footballer who is proud of his Tea Party endorsements.  The bottom line is that for progressives, Adler is a flawed candidate.  Runyan is a dangerous one.  

Cross-posted from deciminyan

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dangerous? (1.00 / 1)
While there can be no doubt that as bad as Adler's voting record might be, Runyan's would be worse, but it is hard to call a would-be freshman Congressman, even if he is part of the majority, dangerous.  Mike Ferguson was a terrible Congressman and an embarrassment to his district, but during his eight years in DC, he had little to no impact on policy-making.

While I am not making the argument that any progressive in the 3rd should support or vote for Runyan, the world is not going to come to an end if he wins.  In fact, it is very likely that as the most junior member of the delegation, he would be the odd man out when the state is redistricted prior to the 2012 elections.

The worst case scenario if Runyan wins is that in return for getting redistricted out of his office, he is offered the opportunity to run against Bob Menendez in 2012 and somehow finds a way to beat him.  Another wrinkle that could be added to this scenario is that Adler in an attempt to make a political comeback runs against Menendez in the Democratic primary election and wins, creating a statewide rematch between himself and Runyan.


There is no reason not to support Adler (0.00 / 0)
Do you seriously want Speaker Boehner?

Who will be the real jackasses if we have a chance to keep John Adler in office and, instead, sit on our a**es?

I'm sorry,  I strongly believe we have no excuse not to GOTV for Adler!

I can find lots of things about everyone, including myself, I don't care for! Now is the time to look at our enemies who are singlemindedly doing everything to destroy those who actually have a chance at representing the actual majority of the people... and stand up and fight!

"Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien.",

"Discrimination caused by ignorance and fear is a tax on human progress" - Barbra Casbar Siperstein


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I agree (0.00 / 0)
It is telling though that we have to resort to double negatives: "no reason not to support" is less compelling than "reason to support." But I'm not in the district anyway.


Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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There are plenty of excuses to not GOTV for Adler (1.00 / 1)
The best one is Ed Potosnak.  While Adler probably has a better chance of retaining his seat than  Potosnak does of winning his, the difference between the two is beginning to get close enough that it seems more worthwhile to me to dedicate whatever resources the progressive community has in terms of manpower and money to winning in the 7th rather than the 3rd.

The next best one is John Adler himself.  What message do progressives send to Adler and other Congresspersons like him who place a higher priority on winning re-election than representing the best interests of their constituents as well as the nation as a whole if we forgive their transgressions solely for the sake of retaining a Congressional majority that in many respects has not been worth the time and money that it cost to elect them.

I am sick and tired of being threatened by the spectre of Speaker Boehner.  If his voting record is testament to anything, John Adler would probably be more comfortable with a Speaker Boehner than a Speaker Pelosi.  He and the Norcross machine have more than enough manpower and money at their disposal to not only support Adler, but also a phony Tea Party candidate.  They can win or lose that race on their own.

This is not to say that progressives in the 3rd should not vote for Adler as democracy often requires us to choose amongst the lesser of evils, but in my opinion, there is a huge difference between voting for someone like Adler and contributing tangible resouces like money and time to his campaign.

I hope that Adler is able to win re-election and is redistricted into the same district as Rob Andrews or one that is safe enough for him to become the liberal that he was when he was in the State Senate rather than the conservative that he has become.  But if he doesn't, I will not shed a tear for him as he has dug his own political grave.


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In that case expend your energy to promote ED (0.00 / 0)
and don't waste energy knocking John! My personal experience with John Adler as a state senator was built upon a positive proactive experience and respect.  ... in a similar fashion as my experience with Rush Holt in Congress!

Ed Potosnak is the right person, with the right message for the 7th, my district and I am happy to do what I can to encourage as many folks to support his campaign and vote to elect him to Congress! I personally like him and have watched him develop into a viable candidate!

Please let's not be divisive and do Rove's work for him!


"Discrimination caused by ignorance and fear is a tax on human progress" - Barbra Casbar Siperstein


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Adler was a fantastic State Senator (0.00 / 0)
However, he has been a terrible Congressman.  Clearly, the difference is in the district that he represents, but that is just a pathetic excuse.

Blogs like this exist as a forum for us to express our opinions, not walk in lockstep with Democratic electeds who have disappointed us time and time again.  If we do that, we are no better than Rove.


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we have different desires and expectations (0.00 / 0)
The Democratic Party is in fact a big tent! Every situation is different and each may require a different strategy for the big picture.

Few things are black or white, most are shades of gray. Sometimes we have to work a little to make things clear.

"Discrimination caused by ignorance and fear is a tax on human progress" - Barbra Casbar Siperstein


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clarity is not the issue (0.00 / 0)
I think that John Adler's situation is obvious.  He was as courageous as he could be as a State Senator representing a safe district and as a Congressman representing a tough district.

The one constant between both situations is his unwillingness to buck the Norcross machine, which allowed both him and Joe Roberts to be as progressive as they wanted to be, particularly on an issue like marriage equality, until it got in the way of machine business.

Adler's willingness to allow the Norcross machine to put his credibility at risk with their Tea Party scam for the sake of winning re-election that may not be winnable when push comes to shove makes me wonder if he would have voted the same way that James Beach did on marriage equality if he was still in the State Senate.

The fact that in the end, Joe Roberts refused to allow the Assembly to vote on marriage equality makes me believe that despite all of his past words to the contrary, if Adler was still in the State Senate when marriage equality was voted on, he would have abstained like Beach did.  He would have had no choice.

In my opinion, the Democratic Party's big tent can hold a lot of different kinds of people.  It can hold corruptible Democrats.  It can hold cowardly Democrats.  But someone as cowardly and corruptible as Adler is less than worthless.  There is nothing gray about it.  It is as black and white as it comes.

As I have said before, I hope that Adler beats Runyan, but that is only because he is the lesser of two evils, not because he has any value as an elected.  When he loses, I will not shed a tear for him.

I will, however, shed a tear for people like you, Babs, and others who believed in him and will never have the opportunity to be rewarded for your unyielding faith. I, on the other hand, have been disappointed way too many times by the likes of Adler to care anymore.


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