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Bravo, Ray Lesniak

by: Rosi Efthim

Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 12:42:01 PM EDT



Bravo, Ray Lesniak.

He just beat me to the punch, saying what I was writing for a post here - but saying it better, and saying it as a NJ Senator. Lesniak just made a public statement calling for the re-hiring of a NJ Transit worker who did something Lesniak does not agree with - and I think is offensive and dumb - but nonetheless has nothing to do with how he does his job for the public. In this morning's News Roundup, I asked the question whether the firing of a New Jersey Transit worker because he burned the Quran by the misnamed 'Ground Zero' Muslim cultural center site.

Derek Fenton, 39 and from Bloomfield, was apparently inspired by "Reverend" Terry Jones' threats to do the same thing, but Jones backed down. Fenton didn't. In a NJ Transit statement, the agency said Fenton's actions violated "New Jersey Transit's code of ethics."

Huh?

I think it's groovy that the bus and train people have hammered out their own set of ethics and all, but if they're being applied when employees are off-duty and doing things unrelated to their work, it's time to re-think. Given the facts as we know them, Fenton's First Amendment rights were violated.

And that don't make the trains run on time.

I'm going to print Lesniak's full remarks after the jump, because he was first, and they're worth reading. So, jump.

Rosi Efthim :: Bravo, Ray Lesniak
 Statement of Sen. Ray Lesniak, Sept. 15, 2010

Calling the NJ Transit worker who was fired for burning pages from the Quran outside the proposed mosque near Ground Zero a "self-centered, irresponsible person who would put American lives in jeopardy without thinking," New Jersey Senator Raymond J. Lesniak said that such actions, however, do not reflect on his ability to do his job and he should not have been fired for it.

"We need to keep our heads while others are losing theirs. Mr. Fenton needs a good talking to by community and religious leaders, not a one way ticket to unemployment."

On Saturday, Derek Fenton, a 39-year-old man from Bloomingdale, NJ who had worked for NJ Transit for the last 11 years, staged a protest at the site of a proposed mosque near Ground Zero, tearing out and burning pages from the Quran in protest of the September 11 terrorist attacks.  On Monday, Fenton was fired from his job as an assistant train coordinator after photos of his protest appeared in a newspaper.  The official word from NJ Transit, through a statement from the agency, is that Mr. Fenton was fired for violating NJ Transit's code of ethics.

So long as his actions, however misguided, took place on his own time, and he was not acting in his capacity as a representative of NJ Transit but as an American exercising his Constitutional rights, then the agency is clearly in the wrong. We live in a country that was built on the principles of freedom of expression, and our democracy would crumble if individuals believed the government could penalize them for expressing views which, while offensive, do not rise to the level of illegal.  New Jersey as an employer should play no part in penalizing someone for exercising their Constitutional rights."

Senator Lesniak noted that the protest of burning the Quran on September 11 was the brainchild of ultra-conservative Florida pastor Terry Jones.  However, after Pastor Jones gained media attention for his efforts to make September 11 "International Burn a Quran Day," General David Petraeus said that the display had the potential for being dangerous to US troops serving in Afghanistan, and that it would be detrimental to efforts to stabilize the country.

Senator Lesniak noted that the first amendment stands as a protection for politically or socially unpopular expressions, even more than it does for popularly-held beliefs.  He pointed to the 1989 Supreme Court decision in the case of Texas vs. Johnson, in which Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan wrote, "If there is a bedrock principle of the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable."

"While we have every right to disagree with intolerant and misguided speech, we have no right to prohibit such speech. Mr. Fenton's actions were irresponsible, but should be protected under our Constitution."

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Torn (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure what the case law on matters like this but are all types of speech on your free time protected from termination by your employer?

What if he was a member of a white supremacist group?  

The free speech part of me is concerned about this but there's another part of me that thinks there might be certain situations where a firing may be in order.  Regardless, termination of employment on the first offense seems drastic.

What if he was a police officer for a town with a large muslim community?  How would the community feel with him patrolling the streets?

I just don't think this is as black and white as it seems.


Compare it to the case... (0.00 / 0)
...of two firefighters and a police officer from NYC who were terminated some years ago for appearing on a horribly racist float in the Broad Channel, Queens Labor Day parade. They were eventually re-hired after suing the city. Here's an article opposing their reinstatement: http://writ.news.findlaw.com/c...
Much of the argument made there is based on the nature of police and firefighting work, and may not apply equally to those in other jobs, though.
I'm inclined to agree with Lesniak here, although I acknowledge that to many people it will look as though the government is approving of the man's actions.  

[ Parent ]
Still torn (0.00 / 0)
I just wonder if we can imagine a case of legal but egregious behavior undertaken on private time that would be grounds for termination.

What if he had a YouTube channel with dozens of videos hurling racial epithets and racist opinions?  What if he had a blog with a large following where he promoted hate speech?  

There are obviously degrees to this sort of stuff and maybe a warning or probation would be more practical for a first violation.  

Also, if he was in an appointed position, like say Commissioner of a department, he'd be gone in 2 seconds flat.  Should it be a different standard for a lower level employee?

Again, I'm just saying that this issue is more complicated than it seems at first glance.


[ Parent ]
His job (0.00 / 0)
I can halfway understand certain restrictions if employees could rightfully be seen as representing the NJ Transit agency when speaking (or acting) out. But I have not seen anything that would indicate that, or make complicit NJ Transit in his actions at all.

You don't stop being an American because you work 9-5 making her trains go.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  


[ Parent ]
Bill W (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for that link. That's new to me.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

[ Parent ]
White Supremecist (0.00 / 0)
If he were a member of a white supremacist group who broke no major laws, then he should keep his job. It's none of NJ Transit's business as long as it is not done on the job or in the uniform.

[ Parent ]
Right (0.00 / 0)
The persnickety thing about the First Amendment is that everybody gets their crack at it.

Word.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  


[ Parent ]
While I agree the guy shouldn't have been fired (0.00 / 0)
it's not exactly like Lesniak is being a profile in courage here.  I'm sure he will be making appearances on Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and other Muslim haters' shows in the near future.

Separate issue (0.00 / 0)
And if he does, you can take that up, take it up hard, and take it up here.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

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Lesniak knows best (0.00 / 0)
Policies that boast equal treatment on the face
But disproportionately affect one population over others
In conjunction with evident popular antipathy toward that population
And public rhetoric that hinges on that populations unfavorable status
Are obvious tools of discrimination.
It is that simple.  

It's a security issue (0.00 / 0)
I agree with most of the points made here.  But the overriding issue for me in this case is one of security.  This numbskull's actions not only jeopardized the lives of his fellow workers but NJ Transit riders as well.  

Burning a Koran in public is practically an engraved invitation to extremist groups to retaliate, specifically against the NJT system.  It's bad enough that NJT and other area mass transit systems have to deal with constant security threats, but to exacerbate these threats by the kind of provacative actions this clown was engaged in is entirely irresponsible.

Since there are no criminal charges involved the first amendment is irrelevant.  It is a civil matter involving unlawful discharge that will have to be settled in a civil court.

I see no way that NJT should, or will, rehire this idiot.  Their primary responsibility is to the safety of their employees and their customers (including myself).  My guess is they will settle with him by paying him (and his lawyer) off.

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