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"Factesque" Patrol - the Role of the Liberal NJ Blogger

by: Jersey Jazzman

Sun Jul 25, 2010 at 01:41:17 PM EDT



Cross posted from Jersey Jazzman:

http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com/2010/07/factesque-patrol-role-of-nj-liberal.html

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On my blog, I've been dissecting a "fact" that "Pitchfork" Bob Ingle put out on his blog the other day, purporting to show teachers make a lot more money than is generally reported. I'm cross posting here at BJ to make a larger point to the NJ liberal community:

"Pitchfork" Bob's "evidence" was a Manhattan Institute brief about teacher pay. It's bad enough that Bob persists in not putting links to his sources on his blog so we can check them out for ourselves; it appears he doesn't even spend the time to look at them carefully and see if they are the products of decent research.

Now, I'm not saying Bob or any other journalist should be picking apart every citation with the precision of a dissertation review panel; I am saying that a professional journalist should have enough basic tools at his disposal to look at a piece of "research" and figure out if it's worth injecting into the discourse - regardless of whether it supports his views or not.

Jersey Jazzman :: "Factesque" Patrol - the Role of the Liberal NJ Blogger
I took a short look at the brief and found a glaring math error that should have disqualified it from being published. In addition, the BLS, which produced the data, specifically cautioned against using it to compare the hours teachers work to those in other professions.

There are also many pieces of evidence: like this and this, that fly in the face of this brief.

So why didn't Bob take the time to really check this source before he put his blog post up? To me, it's obvious: Bob found a source that comported with his views, and that was enough. It didn't have to show facts - it was "factesque" enough for his purposes, so it was good enough to publish.

Glen Greenwald writes about the hand-wringing the mainstream media is engaging in over the supposedly lax standards of bloggers compared to "real" journalists. You'll get no argument from me that there are some pretty bad bloggers out there; however, can we really say the mainstream media is doing that much better?

As Greenwald shows, Bob's casual attitude toward his source is, unfortunately, typical for way too much of the media today. Here in NJ, it's allowed Chris Christie to inject "facts" into the discourse (We're #1 in taxes! Teacher pay is rising faster than everyone else's!) that just aren't true. Why? Because the media doesn't rigorously check them out, find out if they are actually true, and then regularly call Christie on it if they aren't.

The worst example of this so far in the Christie Administration is the Tax Foundation claim that we are the #1 taxed state in the country - we aren't. Some in the media have called Christie on this, like Tom Moran, and I commend them for that. But it's not enough. A politician simply can not be allowed to throw false facts into the conversation and not pay a price in reduced credibility, and neither should a journalist. If Moran is going to call out Christie on playing fast and lose with the facts, he should be calling out Ingle as well.

But that's obviously not happening. What to do?

Ideally, progressive interest groups should start directly demanding accountability from journalists for what they publish. I understand, however, that going after the media would put unions and liberal groups in a bad position; they want to cultivate allies and keep animosity with the press in check, and it's not always in their interest to take on a journalist or pundit.

Someone else has to take on this job. Media Matters has provided the template; it's now a question of developing the infrastructure to make it happen.

Until then, the job has to fall to dirty hippies like yours truly. I don't believe for a second that anyone in a position of power within the media gives a damn what I have to say, but I do believe bloggers like myself can begin to show other liberals that this is a job that can and should be done.

At the very least, we can serve as stones in shoes of the "Pitchfork" Bobs of this state. We can let them know we are watching, and that we have the facts on our side. For now, that will have to do.

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Here's the thing... (0.00 / 0)
For anyone to make these kind of comparisons, assumptions have to be made on hours/weeks worked, etc, etc.

The 36 week math I came up with isn't accurate because it doesn't include days perparing lessons, etc...

But on the same token, there are SOME teachers who are only at work for the absolute minimum (6-7 hours a day), and certainly teachers with experience MAY rely on previous year's lesson plans etc...

The bottom line, the issue is fluid enough that you can make a pretty descent argument for either side depending on your predisposition...

Finally, I am sure assumptions are made by the tax foundation as well, but I tend to agree with their rankings because I can see no reason why they would want to skew results to have NJ come out first... I agree that they skew results to show higher taxes overall, but why they would want to skew results against NJ specifically eludes me.

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


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I appreciate the sincerity with which you are arguing this; however, I can't let you have this point.

The MI study is wrong - period. It's based on using a data set in a way the authors of that set said specifically NOT to do. It has a glaring math error that should be enough to disqualify it immediately.

Bob Ingle put it out there without properly vetting it, giving it the sheen of respectable, "mainstream" journalism. But it fails on its own merits.

The Tax Foundation study is the same. It makes projections that are not based on the actual numbers, and the Foundation has consistently refused to share the methodology used to make those projections so it can be held up to scrutiny. The TF also has a history of greatly revising its reports, which should be enough to induce that their work should be held suspect.

Whether they have a motive or not is beside the point: you can be completely free of any bias or outside motivation and still get something completely wrong.

Both studies are contradicted by real, peer-reviewed research and mainstream, commonly accepted data. There is no "he said/she said" involved in this.

Both the MI study and the TF study are examples of inaccurate research that has allowed false "facts" to enter into our discourse. There is no reason to think teachers are paid more than reported; there is no reason to believe NJ is the #1 taxed state. The studies that make these claims do not hold up under scrutiny, and should not be trusted. And the people who trumpet their conclusions and hold positions of influence have an obligation to at least address the failings of these studies before they parrot them.

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I have a theory (0.00 / 0)
that print reporters with more than 15 years experience enjoy the reaming Big Boy has been giving teachers and other public employees.

They harbor deep resentment from the rapid decline of the newspaper industry and the sweeping layoffs and forced retirements that occured over the past few years.  It makes them feel better to assist Christie in whipping the donkey so that others can be miserable.

"Only a fool would follow a bully"


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