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Sweeney Shows Leadership on Property tax cap

by: firstamend07

Sun Jun 20, 2010 at 08:33:37 AM EDT



This diary produced a lot of comments - 24 so far - and those comments include a referendum on Steve Sweeney, Cory Booker, Sen. Ron Rice, caps hard and soft, North v. South, marriage equality advocates, and anonymous posters like firstamend07. Where do you come down on all this, Blue Jersey? Anything here you want to agree with? Tear your hair out over? Excoriate? - promoted by Rosi Efthim

Governor Corzine had a good idea when he set up a cap on Property taxes. Something had to be done.

Christie took that idea and by once again being a demagogue has tried to set up an unrealistic,unworkable hard cap of 2.5% that will only cause chaos and hardship.

Enter Senate President Sweeney. Once again ,bring the voice of moderation and realism , he looked at Corzine's Cap idea and looked at Christies Cap idea and came up with a realistic ,workable Cap plan that is rooted in real world problems.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.s...

Is his plan perfect ?  Of course not. But leadership is about reviewing problems ,listening to people, and coming up with a workable plan.

This is how Sweeney works. That Is why this State has a high minimum wage.That is why this State has a Paid Family Leave Act. That is why this State enacted fair and responsible Pension Reform .

Like the guy or not he is a leader and he gets things done.      
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Sweeney Shows Leadership on Property tax cap | 57 comments
caps are not the answer (0.00 / 0)
Corzine was no more right than Christie is wrong when he established his soft cap as opposed to Christie's hard cap and Sweeney/Oliver's proposal is no better.

It is not enough to slow the rate of growth of regressive property taxes.  They must be cut and cut dramatically.  The only way that this can happen is to change the way that money is spent at the local level and how this spending is funded.

Caps are cowardly, because they just pass the buck of reforming how our government operates from the state to municipalities and school districts.  In a way, it is yet another unfunded mandate.

Instead of being cowardly, nibbling around the edges of serious problems, and playing political games, our electeds in Trenton have to be courageous enough to END HOME RULE NOW or at the very least, give the voters the opportunity to choose between retaining home rule and paying the true costs of it through increased property taxes or abandoning home rule and seeing their overall tax burden reduced dramatically though a combination of income tax increases and property tax cuts.

I do not like Sweeney and most likely never will, but when he starts exhibiting some courage and leadership, I might actually have some respect for him.  I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

As unlikely as it is that progressives will get their act together sufficiently to run a slate of progressive Assembly and Senate candidates that will unseat people like Sweeney not only from their leadership positions, but their legislative offices as well, it is probably more likely than Sweeney ever doing the right thing as long as he is Senate President.

Really? (0.00 / 0)
What has he gotten done since he took over the reins of the State Senate?
nothing much (0.00 / 0)
the only thing that Steven Sweeney has gotten since this tenure began is a comprehensive ass-whipping by the Governor.  

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Litmus tester (0.00 / 0)
Your opinion on the State Senator  revolves around one issue and one issue only.

You will never forgive him for ME.

It is a shame an advocate like you has become so tainted.

   

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So answer the question (0.00 / 0)
what has he done since he took over as top dog?
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Sweeney Success (0.00 / 0)
His leadership on the common sense pension reform bills caused Christie to back off the radical changes that the Governor  proposed originally.  

Within two weeks he will have succeeded in passing a more "evolutionary " property tax cap that will continue the relief started by Corzine.

He tried to get an override to the millionaires tax but got little support from the government worker unions since the override did not help them. But he did try.

With only 5 months as Senate President, and with an impossible budget and a Governor using the bully pulpit every day,Sweeney has been as successful as is possible.

The ME litmus test people are of course upset but so be it.    

Not leadership, but politically smart (0.00 / 0)
A hard 2.5% cap, without an increase in state aid, will be a disaster for municipal services, and especially schools.  It's smart of Sweeney to diffuse the 2.5% constitutional amendment train, but I don't know if I'd call it leadership.
Weinberg agrees (0.00 / 0)
State Senator Weinberg appears to agree with the Senate Presidents idea.

She seems to have no problem with his leadership on this issue.

Time for you to give the Senate President some kudos!!!

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I said it was a smart political move (0.00 / 0)
Now undercut today by DINO Cory "Brett" Booker.  I hope Democrats hold firm against a constitutional amendment, so that New Jersey schools and colleges do not go the way of California after it passed Prop 13.
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Booker the phony (0.00 / 0)
Booker continues to have zero backbone.

He wants out of Newark in the worst way . This guy would suck up to anyone he thinks can help his own personal agenda.

Of course it is highly unproper to criticize him since he has been annointed the "golden boy" of the Democratic left.

By the way what has Booker ever done besides talk a good game?  

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Huh? (2.00 / 1)
He's not the golden boy of the Democratic left.  He's the golden boy of the Democratic Leadership Council.  He's a DINO, who's now far surpassed Lesniak and Sweeney on the betrayal list.
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We agree? (0.00 / 0)
Booker is a phony who will only run Newark further into the ground and then he will leave.

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Please elaborate n/t (0.00 / 0)
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South Jersey Democrats (3.50 / 2)
shouldn't attack the Mayor of New Jersey's largest city, who has done a tremendous amount to reduce crime and increase the quality of life in the city of Newark in his 4 short years as Mayor. He has returned integrity to the office of Mayor.

If South Jersey Democrats disagree with Mayor Booker, attacking him, calling him a phony does not help your cause at all.

Instead of being a hack for South Jersey who has no courage to put his/her name on your posts, which everyone on BlueJersey knows you are a hack who just promotes South Jersey Democrats' agenda, disagree respectively especially show some respect to a Mayor who has brought forth significant changes to the City of Newark....and yes, unlike his predecessors, he is not looking to get rich off being a career politician. He is probably looking to serve a few terms and allow someone else to continue, which is what every elected official should be doing.

Ron Rice was Right (0.00 / 0)
The State Senator warned everyone and no one listened.

This flip, media savvy outsider would blow smoke and convince everyone just how great he was.

It is pretty easy to follow a corrupt act like Sharpe James.

But I ask again . What has Corey Booker actually done?

NOw he wants a Hard cap so he can once again blame someone else for his failings as an Administrator.

The guy is a walking excuse who is starting to get exposed.

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Ron Rice Exposes Phony Booker (0.00 / 0)
"Look, I support the concept that we are all going to be wealthy. It's not going to happen. I support the concept that we are all going to be drug free and crime free. That isn't going to happen either. He has to speak on the substance of this. We have 3,500 workers in Newark, and he's exploring laying off 2,000. The Police Department has more than half of what he wants to lay off. You put a 2.5% cap on Newark, what you do is you destroy your city. He has to deal with this. He has to be clear on what he stands for." - state Sen. Ronald L. Rice (D-Newark) on Mayor Cory Booker.
- PolitickerNJ.com
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Give me a break! (0.00 / 0)
Time has passed Senator Ron Rice by and left him a bitter, bullying, discriminating, and hateful individual who has opposed most progressive legislation in the past 30 years. And you cite him to expose Cory Booker?  Give me a break!  

"The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." - Sen. Ted Kennedy
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Phony vs. Real Person (0.00 / 0)
I ma no big fan of State Senator Rice myself. But what you see is what you get with Ron Rice, and I respect that.

Booker on the other hand is a slickster,a phony, a publicity hound who has proven good for a sound bite but not very good at administering a city ( that is what he was elected to do ,right?) .

I don't agree with Rice ,but I do respect him.

I have no respect for the stuffed shirt Cory Booker .  

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Unbelievable! (0.00 / 0)
In saying that you respect Senator Rice it seems apparent that you have not studied his record nor talked with him, and that either you are misinformed or a supporter of the social, "Christian" radical right.  I suggest you set up a meeting with him and ask him what he thinks about gays, people with HIV, needle exchange program users, medical marijuana users, and others for whom even centrists today show support.  

Did it also escape your notice that perhaps Rice is bitter that Booker thoroughly trounced him in the prior election?  Yes Booker is currently pandering to the Governor in hopes of gaining benefits for his city, but you are also misinformed about the successes Booker has achieved on behalf of Newark. You should visit Newark and talk to people there.  

"The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." - Sen. Ted Kennedy

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Simply said (0.00 / 0)
I did not say that I agreed with him. I said I respect him for being a person who says what he means.

Rice has a lot of issues, I agree.

However, Rice is NOT a phony.

Booker is.

I can trust Rice. I can't trust Booker.

I worry about these stuffed shirts who are always posing for the camera.

Is Newark better off than under James. How could it not be? But I can't agree that Booker has administered that city well.

Booker is about Booker. He would bolt out of there in a second if someone gave him a new job.      

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Next time (0.00 / 0)
if you want to "expose" Cory Booker, I suggest you use a more credible source.  If Beck or Limbaugh state that Booker has done something wrong, it does not benefit your argument to say you respect them as being people who say what they mean.  They are still people whom many of us do not respect nor look toward for credible information.

"The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." - Sen. Ted Kennedy
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Blatant Political Opportunism (4.00 / 1)

I can't help but think that Booker wants to be Governor or Senator and wants to use this issue to be able to build up his fiscal credentials.  Personally, I think it's like Candidate Bill Clinton allowing Ricky Rector to be executed to show that he was tough on crime.  

Booker has done some good things as Mayor, but this is a huge mistake for him if he wants to seek higher office.   It's a deal with the devil and we know how well those turn out.

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Not just South Jersey Democrats (0.00 / 0)
All Democrats should be attacking Booker.  Supporiting a hard cap constitutional amendment without the promise of state aid to make up most of the difference will lead to a drastic decline in the quality of public education in this state.  Just as it did in California after Prop 13.  Any Democrat who supports this is no Democrat.

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Yipes! I agree! Booker exposed as phony (0.00 / 0)
Booker is a phony. Booker has proved to be nothing more than a stuffed shirt who cannot handle the nuts and bolts of administering a city.

He is nothing more than a sound bite.

This hard cap is his way out of a problem that he has made worse.

In comparison to Sharpe James he is great. In comparison to anyone else he is an egomaniac who looks for publicity and tries to cover up his inept handling of the problems in Newark.  

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Booker is working for Newark (4.00 / 1)
Booker is not a sound bite, inept nor a phony. He is in the midst of trying to close a huge $180 million budget deficit in a city with an insufficient number of ratables and an over-abundance of disadvantaged people. If he fails in his endeavor catastrophic lay-offs and bankruptcy loom in the near future.  Although I am afraid his "alliance" with Christie will result in him being burned, he is facing difficult times which call for difficult measures.

In the midst of this staggering recession Booker has reduced crime, brought new business to the city, raised outside funds for local projects, decreased corruption, and instilled confidence in the residents. He can handle the nuts and bolts of administering a city, and with some help and luck he may even stabilize Newark.  But it won't be easy, and it may require taking positions he would not normally take.

For now and the near future he should be measured by what he accomplishes for Newark.  There will be time later on to measure him as a candidate for higher office.  

"The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die." - Sen. Ted Kennedy

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I agree Booker is in a Pinch (0.00 / 0)
just like Tony Mack in Trenton.  These urban mayors are staring down both barrels of  double barreled shotgun with Christies 2 fat fingers on each trigger.  I am extremely disappointed that it had to come to inner city mayors negotiating with a governor whose policies and right wing attitudes will ultimately further erode our cities.

It seems Sweeney is coming around and finally acting like he is in charge of the opposition party.  Unfortunately Sweeney and most dems have not reacted well to Christie.  Christie rolled a grenade into the room and all the dems did is take cover in a foxhole for 3 months.  Now, those desperate to keep their extremely fragile cities together are forced to deal with Christie.

I naively hope that Booker and Mack supporting Christie is part of some larger political plan.  I hope they are only dealing with Christie to keep their cities afloat and have been given assurances by Sweeney that cap 2.5 will not see the light of day.

"Only a fool would follow a bully"

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No larger plan (0.00 / 0)
They're just trying to get a seat at the table.  It's just like the oldest profession.  They're trading their endorsement for the promise,? hope?, of future state aid.  No way is Christie going to bury the cap.  If it comes to a vote, and gets the requisite 60% in each house, it's almost assured to pass as the public, out of desparation, reaches for the easy solution.  The only saving grace would be that the proposal permits voters to waive the 2.5% cap.  But, as I'm sure you know, that will be a very hard sell.
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Booker is working for Newark (0.00 / 1)
I agree. The cap is a means to an end.  It may not be the best means but it is a means none the less. And until the Democratic "leadership", in Trenton and beyond, gets out of the tank with organized labor to reform collective bargaining/binding arbitration, to push municipal consolidation, to seek sustainable education initiatives, it is the only means available.

Until then the "comprehensive ass whipping by the Governor" will continue unabated.

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A drowning man takes others down with him (0.00 / 0)

Yes, Newark is in a desperate situation.  But Booker could negotiate better contracts on his own.  The 2.5% cap is mandatory, in good times or bad, and that is the problem.  A politician like Booker, if he is good, should find the political courage to make the difficult decisions.  He shouldn't try to save himself (or Newark) by bringing the rest of the state down with him.
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Sigh! (0.00 / 0)
Cory Booker is not the only elected Democratic suporting the cap. Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer and Passaic Freeholders are also on board.

Without casting aspersions I am a little suspicious about your "good times" comment.  Last I checked it was the decisions made in those "good times" that brought Us to where we are today.

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Long-Term Impact of 2.5% (4.00 / 1)

I'm not sure what aspersions you mean.   I'm trying to be very open-minded on this issue.  To me, the facts seem to be that in the few states that have implemented a similar cap (Calif. and Mass.), they have lowered property taxes but at an unacceptable long-term cost in terms of local services and schools.   Both Zimmer and the Passaic Freesholders may agree with Booker, but I'd say they are also grasping for short-term solutions that are unacceptable in the long-term.

I am not a fan of Sen. Sweeney, but his 2.9% legislative cap seems a much better solution that doesn't have the same long-term problems that the mandatory cap would have.

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Hard cap (4.00 / 1)
A cap like that is not a solution, it's throwing your hands up and giving up.  It's the same reaction I had to the individual mandate in the health insurance reform bill.  How could we have wasted all these years seeking universal health care?  All we had to do is make people buy coverage.  Duh.  It's the same thing with the cap.
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Hard Cap II (0.00 / 0)

Could you explain your post more?  Are you saying that the 2.9% cap won't work but the 2.5% cap will?  The 4% cap has worked well so far, so I'm not seeing why many people don't have faith in the 2.9% cap.
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Re: (0.00 / 0)
I don't like caps in general, but I was specifically referring to the 2.5% hard cap.  the 2.9% is flexible enough so that it will do far less harm.

But when will the cap thing end?  With a 0.1% cap?  It's like three strikes and your out becoming two strikes, and then one strike.  As politicians tried to outdo themselves.

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I absolutely agree (0.00 / 0)
As a public employee, I understand that we need to help with the financial situations around the state.  I'm slowly warming up to the idea that it may take another 10-15 years to making things proper.  My problem is that I have another 30+ years before I can retire without a pension penalty.  I'll go along for the ride, albeit against my will, to help out the government in the long run, but what happens when things get better?

Where were these supporters of the 2.5% cap over the past 15 years?  Why do they need a state law or constitutional amendment to force them to limit spending?  Where is the leadership?

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Cuomo calls for 2.0% cap (0.00 / 0)
http://www.nydailynews.com/blo...

Christie's position is not as hard as Democrat Nominee for Governor in New York Andrew Cuomo.

Mayor Booker is an outstanding elected official and is doing what he thinks is best for the City of Newark and for himself. This is a guy who had the courage to take on and crumble the Newark political machine and succeeded.

Just because you disagree with him on this one issue, which he isn't even a legislator and doesn't have a vote on (not everyone can be a dual-officeholder like Senator Sweeney), it doesen't give anyone the right to trash him completely because of one point of disagreement.

and all of a sudden you are agreeing with Senator Rice when you trashed him nonstop when Senator Rice supported Dick Codey in the senate presidency campaign and made comments in support of Codey during that race. Now you agree with him out of convenience.

Unbelievable.  

Booker (0.00 / 0)
It's not just this one issue.  He supports the public school privatization and defunding act, aka, "school choice."  He's taken several other "DLC" positions, and endorsed Joe Lieberman.  He's the Harold Ford of New Jersey.  I'd vote third party before I voted for him for state office.
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exactly. (0.00 / 0)
People are acting as though this is the first time Booker has ever shown his "conservadem" stripes.

Blame it on Sharpe James -- if it hadn't been for the corrupt political machine he presided over, we'd probably never have heard of Cory Booker.  

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oh no (4.00 / 1)
yes he supported Joe Lieberman, a close family friend whose daughter he went to school with - he also supported Mike Blooomberg, his close partner in NYC, that should disqualify him from running for any offices, hes truly DLC.

Forget about the fact that he is a strong advocate for marriage equality, that hes prochoice, has worked tirelessly to remove guns from our streets and has stood up for every progressive principle possible. Forget about that fact he had the courage to take on and defeat the corrupt political machine who for the past 20 years, everybody in South Jersey and North Jersey kissed up like crazy to Sharpe James.

As a fiscally responsible Democrat Cory Booker represents a new generation of Democrats and he inspires continues to inspire people every day.

I'm a small business owner and I take more conservative positions when it comes to regulation of small businesses, which I am not in lockstep with the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. That probably makes me a DLC Democrat too.  

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Probably (2.00 / 1)

Cory Booker represents a new generation of Democrats

Yeah, they're called Republicans.  Or at least Lieberman, who's also pro-choice and anti-gun.

has stood up for every progressive principle possible.

That makes absolutely no sense, as you yourself acknowledge he hasn't.

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"makes me a DLC Democrat too" (4.00 / 1)
Well, I don't know, has the DLC ever named you the "New Dem of the Week"?
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As I said (0.00 / 0)
the Harold Ford of New Jersey.
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so what does that make Steve sweeney? N/T? (0.00 / 0)
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Hater (0.00 / 0)
Everyone here shoudl have to take the ME litmus test ,right?  
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Fiscally responsible is not the issue (0.00 / 0)

The problem is that the hard cap is fiscally irresponsible in that it prevents governments from acting to respond to future needs as they arise.

I'm all for fiscal responsibility.   But the 2.9% cap is more responsible.   That Booker can't see this makes him someone I don't want to see as part of NJ's future.  

By the way, one can be a progressive small business owner.    

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But... (0.00 / 0)
Christie's cap allows for voter override.

We aren't smart enough again?

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

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Voter Overrides (0.00 / 0)

Do we really need to discuss why "voter overrides" aren't a solution?  I think we're all smart enough not to have that discussion.  

The answer, for me, is the same reason why are we a republican democracy instead of a democracy.  

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Hm... (0.00 / 0)
smart enough to know we're not smart enough?


"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai
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I'll agree with that (0.00 / 0)

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Friends of Cory (0.00 / 0)

"yes [Booker] supported Joe Lieberman, a close family friend whose daughter he went to school"

So this is what it's come down to.  It's not about what is right, it's about who Booker went to school with?   Isn't it this type of backroom politics that this site has been working to eliminate since its birth?

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no (0.00 / 0)
your judging the guy based on an endorsement he made for 1 US Senate race in Connecticut in 2006, not on what he has done his entire life.

If you disagree with him on the 2.5% cap, then fine, he doesn't get to vote on it anyway. That does not make him a DLC Democrat when he has stood by progressive issues such as equality and choice but you all base him just because he endorsed a senate candidate in 2006 who was more conservative, which theres nothing backroom about? He was pretty open about the endorsement and backroom would indicate he received something in return?. The 2.5% cap is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. Where was Sen. Sweeney when it came to marriage equality?

I just find it amazing that this is what he has being judged on.

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Judging Cory (0.00 / 0)

I think that when you make a news conference with the Governor, a man from the other party who has been nothing but a lying, ruthless bully towards your own party, you'd better be sure that you're going to be judged.

When in addition, you support the Governor on the issue rather than supporting a similar, but much better alternative offered by your own party, you'd made a very clear choice of what type of politician you are.

The incidents in the past are just that, past incidents.  But they show that the incredibly poor decision (in both policy and politics) Booker made on Monday is not an aberration.  We know have a rather clear view on his true character and wisdom.  Neither is looking very good to this progressive democrat.

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I agree (0.00 / 0)
either Booker really believes Christie's crap or he sold his soul and the better interests of his city for some short term gain --  either way, not pleasant

"Only a fool would follow a bully"
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ahhh (0.00 / 0)
okay at least we found out what the real issue is now, your upset that he agreed with an idea from someone in the opposing party. Has nothing to do with his record or his platform but because one one issue, which he felt was in the best interest of Newarkers & New Jerseyians, he had the nerve to stand with a Republican governor on something. I get it now what the problem is.
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No, that's not it and you know it (0.00 / 0)

I used to be a Republican (a long time ago!) so I'm all in favor of bipartisan politics and working with the other side. In fact, I was very hopeful that CC would govern in a rational, cooperative way that would allow bipartisan partnerships.  It is what both NJ and our country need.

If you believe that the current Governor is trying to work in a bipartisan fashion, you are entitled to your opinion.  But that's not how I see it.  I see a partisan bully who is only interested in bipartisan measures after he has bullied or bribed the opposition into supporting his position.

I also see a politician (Booker) who has cut a deal with Christie for his own reasons on an issue that will not benefit NJ.

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