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Marriage Equality and "Harming Heterosexual Marriage"

by: princetonblue

Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 11:45:40 AM EST



This is so typical. And it reminds me of another exchange 2 years ago, reported by Juan Melli as Anti-gay crusader admits the sky won't fall (Blue Jersey Feb. 2008). It's an exchange between Garden State Equality's Steven Goldstein and John Tomicki, head of the New Jersey Coalition to Preserve and Protect Traditional Marriage, and a good example of how these folks are so busy huffing and puffing about how equality will wreck traditional life that they have no room in their heads to explain the math on how. - - promoted by Rosi

This week's New Yorker has a long article on the legal strategy of overturning Prop. 8 in California.  The end of the article has a great analysis of how the gay-marriage opponents are lying in their claims.  Here's the passage:

"For example, one of the arguments that the anti-gay-marriage side has increasingly turned to outside the courtroom is that allowing same-sex marriage would hurt heterosexual marriage.  At the pretrial hearing, Judge Walker kept asking Charles Cooper, the lawyer defending Proposition 8, how exactly it did so. "I'm asking you to tell me," he said at last, "how it would harm opposite-sex marriage."

"All right," Cooper said.

"All right," Walker said. "Let's play on the same playing field for once."

There was a pause -- it seemed like a long one to people in the courtroom, though it was probably only a few seconds.  And Cooper said, "Your Honor,  my answer is:  I don't know.  I don't know."

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I'll offer $5000 (0.00 / 0)
to the first straight couple who says that gay couple's marriage has ruined their own.  They must provide me with documents proving how exactly the other marriage has harmed theirs.

One major exception--- it cannot be a divorced straight couple where one spouse eventually came out and ended up marrying a same sex partner .  

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Can I get the money (0.00 / 0)
if it isn't actually true?

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not if it is not true (0.00 / 0)
I want to hear just one story about how someone's same sex marriage had a negative impact on a heterosexual marriage.    

I have been asking this question since 2004 when MA legalized same sex marriage.

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please make your check payable to... (4.00 / 2)
...Bertin Lefkovic.  The time and energy that I have spent fighting for marriage equality could have been spent with my wife and children.  I know that I should get Shirley Turner et al to write the check, but they weren't offering.

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we've all spent time fighting (0.00 / 0)
and to be honest some of the time I spent fighting for marriage equality had my family wondering (although they live out of state).  When I mentioned my work with GSE and trips to the statehouse, my family's general reaction was "what the hell are you doing-- you're straight!).  

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I wasn't seriously trying to claim your money (0.00 / 0)
I know that I am not the only person fighting for marriage equality.  My point was more to say that the legislature's delays have required all of us to spend scare resources on something that should have been easily resolved years ago.

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I am not disagreeing with you on anything you say (0.00 / 0)
the legislature could have gotten this done as soon as Corzine went on record saying he'd sign the bill.  The fact that they waited until the lame duck was unacceptable to me, and cost them many yes votes (moderate Republicans who now are on Christie's side).  

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...

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A small step in the right direction (0.00 / 0)
According to the NY Times Bay area Blog this issue recurred during the San Francisco Proposition 8 trial. Just before the testimony portion of the trial ended on Wednesday, Mr. Boies (anti-Prop 8) asked Mr. Blankenhorn (pro-Prop 8) whether some of the experts he had earlier cited as saying same-sex marriage would damage traditional marriages had voiced their opinion with absolute certainty or merely suggested it was "likely." Mr. Blankenhorn seemed annoyed. "The issue is always likely, Mr. Boies," he said. "There is no certainty."  
Apparently what the opposition initially thought was a "certainty" has now been reduced to "likely."  A small step in the right direction?
 After the break the judge probably will not hear final arguments until at least March.    

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