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I'll be calling in for my fix n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Jay Lassiter @ Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 21:20:01 PM UTC

Why more anger towards Kean than Turner? (0.00 / 0)

Do you have any interest in talking to Janine Gilliam or Catherine Caperello of "Shame on Shirley - Unseat anti-gay Senator Turner" or will that have to wait for another week?

It is also interesting that there hasn't been a single group created against Sweeney or any of the other South Jersey Senators who abstained or voted No or against Girgenti, Rice Sr., and Sarlo.

Also, why more anger towards Kean than Bateman and Beck?

I also wonder why nobody has created a group, championing Bill Baroni, the only Republican Senator to vote for marriage equality, and Jim Whelan, the only South Jersey Democratic Senator to vote Yes.

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by: Bertin Lefkovic @ Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 21:49:47 PM UTC

Why don't you create a group? n/t (4.00 / 2)

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

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by: Rosi Efthim @ Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 22:09:23 PM UTC

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Seriously (0.00 / 0)

Bert - you're on facebook all the time - start a group, it's easy. Someone already has for both Turner and Bateman, there's one for all 9 Democrats who failed to support the bill, and no doubt there will be more for various other individual senators.

We didn't invite the Unseat Kean group on the show based on an anger-differential analysis. It was the first of these groups that I saw, and appears to be the largest thus far.

We're a 30-minute show - there's only so much we can squeeze in. And, we like to have a range of great guests.

With apologies for hijacking your thread. Hey, wait a minute - it's my damn thread!
:)

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by: Jeff Gardner @ Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 22:50:50 PM UTC

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my facebook reach is limited (0.00 / 0)

I have less than 200 friends on facebook, a small percentage being people who care about marriage equality despite my constant sharing of info that others pass along to me.

I am sure that there is a way for me to create a group and publicize it outside of my circle of facebook friends, but the fact of the matter is that I am really not well-educated on all of the intricacies of facebook.  I comment, post, and share.  That's pretty much it.

That said, I did not raise these questions as a left-handed way of saying that somebody should.  I was simply curious why most of the facebook activity has focused on Sean Kean first and foremost, Shirley Turner  a distant second, and then nobody else other than the composite Democratic 9 group.

I was also curious why all of the activity was focused on people who voted no and there was no activity focused on people who voted yes, particularly the lone Democrat from South Jersey and the lone Republican.  It seems to me that they are pretty worthy of discussion too.

Has it suddenly become taboo to raise questions that are relevant to the subject of somebody's diary or is it only taboo when I do it?  Does anybody wonder why such a small percentage of the visitors to this site comment and post diaries?  Maybe it has something to do with how easily someone can become a pariah here.

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by: Bertin Lefkovic @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 00:42:27 AM UTC

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I wish I had your time to comment so much.... (0.00 / 0)

I can't keep up with you, you're in every diary I read.  

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by: Matthew Jordan @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 07:25:52 AM UTC

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For your sake, I hope... (0.00 / 0)

...that you are not or do not ever become as unemployed as I have been.

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by: Bertin Lefkovic @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 17:18:17 PM UTC

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We would talk to anybody (4.00 / 1)

This group was started by people who are doing exactly what you are asking everyone else to do. Start a group, take action. If someone starts a Shirley Turner group, direct them  to our show. Write a diary about it.  No one is stopping you.  But I'm tired of hearing from people that we can't talk about this legislator or that legislator if we don't write about who the person offering the comment is concerned for.  This is a community blog and you have every right to post a diary asking the questions you believe others aren't. I have no doubt that we'll also talk about Shirley Turner and Ron Rice and everyone else during the show as well.  

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by: Jason Springer @ Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 22:46:07 PM UTC

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"Shame on Shirley" (4.00 / 3)

Someone already started an Unseat Turner group. It's at 256 members, and growing.

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by: Jeff Gardner @ Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 22:56:24 PM UTC

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that was why I was asking my first question (0.00 / 0)

I wanted to know whether I should tell Janine and Catherine to try to get in touch with you for this week or an upcoming week.

I don't think that there was anything in my comment that said that you shouldn't talk about Kean over Turner.  I was simply curious about why you chose Kean over Turner.  It was a simple question that only required a simple answer, which Jeff provided without the attitude.  Thanks, Jeff.

I can understand that the position that I have taken regarding Kean on other diaries might have led you to presume that I was taking the same approach here, but sometimes, a banana is just a banana.

I think that, if nothing else, I am usually pretty straightforward with my opinions and questions and there is rarely any subtext involved.  You might not agree with or like them, but I would appreciate it if you didn't take more meaning from them than what there is.

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by: Bertin Lefkovic @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 00:55:26 AM UTC

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They absolutely should try (0.00 / 0)

to contact us. Put the link to the page in the comments here so people can find it. And if they want to post a diary, we can make sure they get more attention for their efforts. You may not like what you perceive as the attitude, but while the response came to your question in this thread, it is one raised repeatedly in other diaries. I hope that people post diaries on any of the people they feel should be challenged or supported for the stand they have taken.

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by: Jason Springer @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 01:22:32 AM UTC

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I may or may not call (0.00 / 0)

still thinking of that, but I'll definitely be listening.  It was a pleasure talking to you guys last week on the phone then meeting you guys on Thursday.

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...

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by: tabbycat31 @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 00:07:58 AM UTC

Jim Beach (0.00 / 0)

Nice to hear him getting raked over the coals.

It soothes my jilted heart.

activist for hire.

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by: Jay Lassiter @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 01:28:55 AM UTC

We tried to take (0.00 / 0)

everyone to task or give them credit. I'm sure we missed some as Jeff barely got his Senator in at the end.

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by: Jason Springer @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 01:30:55 AM UTC

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We should have saved more than 5 minutes (0.00 / 0)

for my diatribe on abstentions.
:)

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by: Jeff Gardner @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 01:39:15 AM UTC

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Great show (4.00 / 3)

and I love Vin's phone call, and thought his suggestions for Democratic challengers were great (mentioned my town's awesome and very progressive mayor).  

Vin if you read this, I'd like in on the Democratic group to challenge Kean too.  

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...

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by: tabbycat31 @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 01:54:51 AM UTC

thanks! (0.00 / 0)

i'll add you in a few minutes so we connect

As always - a great show by Jeff and Jason, keep up the great work in keeping Trenton honest

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by: vingopal @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 03:34:06 AM UTC

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I wish blue jersey had private messaging (0.00 / 0)

because i would send you one now with my email address.

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...

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by: tabbycat31 @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 03:45:41 AM UTC

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Alias Email Address (0.00 / 0)

You can just set up an anonymous email account at gmail or yahoo and then post the address here.

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by: princetonblue @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 04:28:02 AM UTC

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hmmm good point (0.00 / 0)

can you add me on Facebook

Vin Gopal

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by: vingopal @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 04:32:11 AM UTC

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that I can do (0.00 / 0)

I'll identify myself in my friend request

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...

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by: tabbycat31 @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 14:40:48 PM UTC

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that I can do (0.00 / 0)

I'll identify myself in my friend request

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...

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by: tabbycat31 @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 14:40:48 PM UTC

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It would be great if... (0.00 / 0)

...these groups could organize both primary and general election challenges for Sean Kean.  If I remember correctly, the first caller, who has been working with Thomas Mannix, said that he was a Republican.  He could be as good a primary challenger as anybody.

Since it is very unlikely that the Democrats will have a contested primary, it would be a very good organizing exercise to get people to register as Republicans and vote against Kean in the primary.  Even if a primary challenge isn't successful, if a primary challenger is reasonably competitive, he/she could force Kean to spend money and make himself more vulnerable during the general election.

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by: Bertin Lefkovic @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 04:00:15 AM UTC

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I am meeting with one group on Thursday (0.00 / 0)

I will bring up finding both a good Democratic challenger and a Republican challenger to try and unseat him.

The problem with a Republican challenger is parts of the district are rather socially conservative and older, and they might only vote against an incumbent if he/she is a hard-right opponent (think a Lonegan type).

http://outspokenliberal.blogsp...

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by: tabbycat31 @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 04:17:46 AM UTC

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of course, but... (0.00 / 0)

...voter turnout for primary elections tend to be very low.  

What you would need to do is get a significant number of Democrats and unaffiliateds to change their party affiliation to Republican so that they can vote against Kean in the primary.

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by: Bertin Lefkovic @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 04:47:00 AM UTC

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Y'all Could Make The Show A One Hour Program.... (4.00 / 1)

...and the time would still fly by.

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by: Nick Lento @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 03:11:26 AM UTC

Thanks Nick (0.00 / 0)

:)

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by: Jeff Gardner @ Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 14:31:24 PM UTC

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