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The surprises keep coming - the time line shifts on marriage equality

by: Rosi Efthim

Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:05:18 PM EST



UPDATE#3: Sen. Codey agrees to postpone the vote, at the request of sponsors Weinberg and Lesniak, until the Assembly Judiciary Committee has had time to hold hearing on the bill. Codey: I understand their desire to make sure this bill receives the thorough attention it deserves and therefore I have agreed to postpone tomorrow's vote until further notice.

UPDATE#2-a: When the statehouse shifts, everything shifts. GSE has email with an ask to show up at GSE HQ at 9:30, that arrived simultaneously just now with a robocall ask to show up 8am at the statehouse. We'll sort it out. If you can't take the day, you can call your legislator to say how you hope they'll vote yes on Marriage Equality, when that vote comes up.

UPDATE: More on the possible shifting time line here. Clearly there will be more opportunities to talk to members of in both houses, as our legislature considers the issue.

BREAKING, from Zach Fink at NJN News. Things are shifting. Zach's blog, so I'm going to let him tell it:

In yet another extraordinary development in the debate over gay marriage, supporters are now calling on Senate President Dick Codey to hold the bill during Thursday's Senate voting session.

In a letter to Codey from Senator Loretta Weinberg who is a prime sponsor of the bill, she asks that the Assembly be given an opportunity to consider the legislation coming off of Monday night's hearing in the Senate Judiciary committee.

Supporters of the gay marriage bill say that although it passed only narrowly by a vote of 7-6 Monday night, it was historic in nature. They argue that many more people want to be heard on this issue. In addition, a sweeping amendment by Republican Senator Bill Baroni was introduced that would exempt religious groups and institutions from having to perform same sex marriage. ( btw - opponents of gay marriage say the Baroni amendment doesn't actually do much, nor does it grant protections that are not already outlined in the constitution )

A Democratic insider who is close to the negotiations says they are "confident momentum is on their side."

Here is the bottom line: the votes are not there in the Senate. And it appears as though they are there in the Assembly - to clear the both the Judiciary committee and to pass the full house. Assembly Speaker Joe Roberts is unlikely to give dates for the upcoming hearing and subsequent floor debate, but I understand it could be early January.

Initially, members of the Assembly had said they would not consider gay marriage until the Senate passed the bill. That thinking seems to have now been turned on its head.

Rosi Efthim :: The surprises keep coming - the time line shifts on marriage equality
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Perhaps they will do it in the new legislature... (0.00 / 0)
...when they get to replace two of the sleazeballs with voting members.

you've got to be kidding me (0.00 / 0)
Doesn't give protections not already in the Constitution? That's because every religious protection anyone should ever need is right in Article 1, Sections 3-4:

3.   No person shall be deprived of the inestimable privilege of worshipping Almighty God in a manner agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; nor under any pretense whatever be compelled to attend any place of worship contrary to his faith and judgment; nor shall any person be obliged to pay tithes, taxes, or other rates for building or repairing any church or churches, place or places of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry, contrary to what he believes to be right or has deliberately and voluntarily engaged to perform.

  4.   There shall be no establishment of one religious sect in preference to another; no religious or racial test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust.

Let's be honest, if it really up to these so-called conservatives, #4 wouldn't be there.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch


We would have lost tomorrow (4.00 / 1)
I'm not sure this is a bad thing.  Can't wait to see what happens in the next few weeks.

No, this is not a bad thing (4.00 / 2)
at all.

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

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Thank goodness. (4.00 / 2)
In the meantime, can GSE get John Lewis on the phone with Sen. Turner?

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Weinberg and Lesniak statement: (4.00 / 2)
From Sen. Weinberg: This afternoon, Senator Ray Lesniak and I requested that Senate President Richard J. Codey hold Senate Bill 1967.  We also requested that Speaker Joseph Roberts schedule a meeting for the Assembly Judiciary Committee on A2978, popularly known as the Freedom of Religion and Equality in Civil Marriage Act.

In light of the Senate Judiciary Committee's historic passage of S1967, Senator Lesniak and I believe that the public needs another opportunity to engage legislators on this issue.  Moreover, the Senate committee has substantially amended its version to include sweeping, additional protections for religious institutions.   We believe that members of the public need to be afforded an additional opportunity to debate this new provision as well.

Tuesday's Senate hearing was extraordinary.  Hundreds of citizens lined up outside the committee chambers to offer testimony on behalf of, and in opposition to, the proposed legislation.  Under the leadership of Chairman Sarlo, who conducted one of the most thoughtful and fair-minded hearings in which either of us has ever participated, the committee spent seven hours hearing from scores of New Jerseyans.  We had to turn away another 150 witnesses for want of time.  In addition to the committee hearing, thousands of citizens, and dozens of religious and secular organizations, have engaged our members in a thoughtful and productive dialogue on marriage equality.

Accordingly, as sponsors of S1967, we asked Senator Codey to postpone full Senate consideration of the Marriage Equality Act until the Assembly Speaker has an opportunity to review scheduling the Assembly Judiciary Committee for a hearing.

We thank Senator Codey for his leadership. Marriage equality is a difficult and challenging question for members from both sides of the aisle. Throughout this debate,  he has been balanced and evenhanded in his treatment of all Senators.  For this, he has our deepest gratitude.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  


Assemblyman Reed Gusciora statement (0.00 / 0)
While it is disappointing that there will be no vote in the Senate tomorrow, I would welcome the opportunity for my Assembly colleagues to become active participants in this debate.

"Every legislator should be directly exposed to the stories of the many families who can speak to the vital need for New Jersey to grant their relationships full marriage equality."



Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

Assemblywoman Linda Greenstein (0.00 / 0)
Significant because she is Assembly Judiciary Chairwoman

         

"No Assembly Judiciary Committee hearing has been scheduled on the marriage equality bill, but I would certainly be willing to do so if requested by Speaker Roberts.

           "I would look forward to the committee engaging in a thoughtful and compassionate discussion on this important matter."

 

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch


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