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A deeply personal moment at yesterday's lobby day

by: Steven Goldstein, Garden State Equality chair

Fri Dec 04, 2009 at 08:47:19 AM EST



Gay people are everywhere. Everywhere. - promoted by Rosi

It had been rumored that more than 250 Hasidim were coming yesterday to oppose our rally and lobby day for marriage equality.  In the end, about 20 of them showed up, while we got more than 700 people on our side, as you know, including so many of you.  

By the way, most of the Hasidim there, ie the people who wear black hats and coats, are not rabbis as some may have thought - that's merely their customary dress.  Our side, in fact, had way more rabbis in support, including rabbis from the Reform and Conservative movements and from my own Reconstructionist movement.

I'm going to say something that may seem hard to understand and I hope you're all not disappointed in me - please try to understand.  When I see the Hasidim protest who I am, I am not filled with hate or even resentment.  

I don't agree with where the Hasidim stand on marriage equality - of course I don't, and the life I live and the organization I lead show how strongly I disagree.  But filled with hate or resentment toward the Hasidim?  No way.

I see people with whom I have something in common.  They and I, we're all members of Klal Yisrael, the Jewish community.  I see my brothers and sisters.  Well, yesterday I saw only my brothers because there were no Hasidic women there, best as I could tell.  

Most of you know that I'm studying to be a rabbi in my other life.  But it is almost impossible to describe to you the depth of my Jewish identity.  There are three things in life I cherish above all else:  My partner Daniel, my brother Richard and my Judaism.

In fact, every day of my life I believe I live in exile from where I should be living, but personal circumstances would never allow me to leave my family in the United States - and I am grateful to them, or one person in particular, for how much I love them and for giving me that bond.  I certainly never would have met Daniel otherwise.

Do I love the Hasidim, my fellow members of Klal Yisrael, though they disdain who I am as a gay person?  I do.  It is an unbreakable bond.  

And so I went up to each of them yesterday, and spoke to them in depth.  I listened.  I listened to things that were painful, including how I commit toevah -- that my being gay is an abomination.

I cried inside.  But there was one moment I cried above all others.

One young man -- he, like many of the other Hasidim, was much younger than he looked because of his beard and payes, ie the sidelocks -- came up to me and asked to talk in private.  So we did.

He questioned me on how it felt to be a Jew attracted to someone of the same sex and to be in a "gay marriage."  I started by replying, it's been a long day, I'll listen, but please, can we make this just a few minutes?

He said, "You don't understand.  I don't know how I feel about 'gay marriage.'"

I was surprised.  More than surprised.  I had just seen him protesting.

He continued.  "I have attractions to people of the same sex.  I think it's wrong but I don't think it's wrong.  I know it will never go away no matter how much I try.  It's who I am and I can never say that in my community.  Yeshayahu (this young man called me Yeshayahu because it's my Hebrew name embroidered on the yarmulke I wore yesterday), how did you get to the point in life where you could be who you are, a Jew, a gay person and in a relationship you don't have to lie about?"

I stopped crying inside.  It all came out, tears down my face.  Here I was with one of my brothers who bared his soul.  I put my hand on his arm, in a butch way as a substitute for the embrace I wanted to give him but couldn't, because there were other Hasidim glaring at us from a distance.

And then as the rest came up to us, he read to me Vayikra 18 from the Torah, in Hebrew, how my life was an abomination.  I simply listened, and as he finished, I wished him good luck.

And he got up, joined the others, and as he walked away, he looked behind.  He smiled.  I smiled back.  

Then I walked to the Garden State Equality office across the street from the State House.  I wiped away my tears, and once again stepped into the caricature of my public persona:   Tough activist who eats nails for food and thrives.

On my ride home an hour later, I could not stop crying.

I will always remember my fellow brother in Klal Yisrael not with resentment, but with love.

Steven Goldstein, Garden State Equality chair :: A deeply personal moment at yesterday's lobby day
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how do you say...... (4.00 / 1)
....WE ARE EVERYWHERE in Hebrew?

and on a heavier note... i just hope this post doesn't cause any fallout for the young man Steven was chatting with.  that would be just awful.

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  • The young man is married with children (4.00 / 1)
    and no one has a clue.

    [ Parent ]
    "no one has a clue" (0.00 / 0)
    Um, I think they do now.

    Was it a good idea to post something with so many specifics?  It's a very touching story,and I understand why you wanted to share it, but I hope it doesn't lead to trouble for the young man in question.  


    [ Parent ]
    You are a better Jew than I, Steven (4.00 / 1)
    I am simply incapable of the forgiveness and tolerance that you have expressed here.  As far as I am concerned, these Jews are no better than and have more in common with the Neturei Karta and are not Jews as far as I am concerned.

    Any Jew who is aware of what our people have experienced throughout our history because of our outsider status and can treat other people the same way or worse is not a Jew.  I feel no bond whatsoever with these people as you do.

    And the fact that you are someone who is the target of such contempt and can still feel the way that you do towards them is something that makes you truly special.  I hope that one day your battles can finally come to an end, you can finish your rabbinic study, and will find a suitable congregation for your gifts.

    When that day comes and if I am living close enough, I will make it my business to join that congregation.


    This is how change happens (0.00 / 0)
    one heart at a time......

    One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.

    Wait until marriage equality comes to Israel (0.00 / 0)
    "I am simply incapable of the forgiveness and tolerance that you have expressed here."

    Same here and I was raised in a conservative household.  It's tough to feel anything positive towards someone who would tell my mother to get out of the swimming pool at her Miami Beach condominium because hasidic men cannot be in the pool with women (my mother ignored him and finished her swim; he just stood and glared angrily).

    The real meshugas starts if peace ever comes to the middle east when secular and religious jews no longer have a common enemy and start to fight amongst themselves.  I recall my first visit to Israel and our first day my cousin took us for a car ride near Jerusalem when a group of hasidic boys threw rocks at our car because we were driving on the sabbath.  Soon after that a motorcyclist was killed by Hasidic jews for riding in their neighborhood.  Even doctors in Israel went on strike to protest the government's refusal to take action against hasidic jews for threatening doctors who performed autopsies.

    It can't be hard to imagine what will happen when secular jews try to introduce marriage equality.  There will likely be violence, and I've already heard about attacks against gay groups in Israel.

    Make no mistake.  These people are religious fanatics perfectly willing to resort to violence to impose their religious beliefs on others if they believe there is  no alternative.  They're no different than the extremist churches which preach against gays and, ironically, the radical Islamists whose extreme views regarding gender and sex inspire groups like Al-Qaeda.

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    Israel will have marriage equality before the U.S. (0.00 / 0)
    The main reason that Bibi Netanyahu is PM of Israel today is because one of his coalition partners, Avigdor Lieberman, of the Israel Beitenu party, attracted many left-leaning voters during the last election, despite being more right-wing than Netanyahu on most issues,  because of the secular nature of his party and his vocal advocacy for civil marriage.

    Many of these left-leaning voters have grown disillusioned with the peace process and feel that neither center-left nor center-right parties are going to be successful at resolving Israel's conflicts with its neighbors anytime soon, so they have begun to focus more on domestic issues, particularly those where the religious and secular populations are at odds with one another.

    Civil marriage has become a hot issue in Israel over the last few years as orthodox control over conversion and marriage has become more and more problematic for both the secular majority as well as the recent emigrees from the Reform, Reconstructionist, and Conservative movements.

    While marriage equality has not been a major component of this debate to date, there have already been some court cases where same-sex marriages performed in other countries have been given various degrees of recognition, and once civil marriage becomes law in Israel, it is possible that marriage equality will become law at the same time, if not shortly thereafter.


    [ Parent ]
    For some same-sex couples, Israel has marriage equality already (0.00 / 0)
    Israel recognizes the marriages of same-sex couples performed abroad.  That is, if an Israeli same-sex couple flew to Canada or Massachusetts etc to get married, upon their return, Israel would recognize them as fully married just like a straight couple - no difference in nomenclature.  This is per a major decision of the Israeli Supreme Court in 2006.  

    thanks for the clarification (0.00 / 0)
    I knew that there had been cases decided to this effect, but I wasn't sure if the recognition was full and total.  There you go.

    Based on this, my belief is that when civil marriage legislation is passed in Israel, it will be inclusive of same-sex couples, if for no other reason that any efforts to be exclusive of same-sex couples for bigotry's or expediency's sake will be struck down by the Israeli courts, possibly striking down civil marriage with it.

    This is yet one more reason that liberals and progressives need to be more nuanced with regards to their attitudes towards Israel.  In many respects, it is a more progressive country than our own.


    [ Parent ]
    Many of them weren't even from NJ! (0.00 / 0)
    What particularly pissed me off about the ultra-orthodox anti-equality protesters last Thursday (besides the fact that they upset me in general and make me embarrassed to even in name share a religion with them) was that many of them weren't even from New Jersey!

    I overheard several conversations among them and saw interviews with several of them.  All of the men I heard speaking said that they were from Monsey, NY, not NJ.  


    Thanks for posting, but I worry too (0.00 / 0)
    I'm glad to have heard this touching story, but knowing the community in question, I too, worry about them seeing this piece and potentially identifying this young man with dire consequences.  

    And yes, I know of whom I speak -- several of my friends and relatives have children who joined the Monsey orthodox community as adults and with whom I have been forced to spend various holidays when at my friends' and relatives' homes.


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