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Should U.S. Senator Frank Lautenberg be asked to resign?

by: Bertin Lefkovic

Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 03:06:25 AM EST



Let me preface this conversation by stating that I supported Senator Frank Lautenberg's re-election campaign during both the primary and general elections last year, but...

1) ...after seeing him speak in public numerous times at a dramatically reduced level of performance than in the past...

...and...

2) ...after last week's gubernatorial election results...

...and...

3) ...assuming that the aspiring Governors that are currently serving in the State Senate and State Assembly are not going to be willing to rescind the power that the Governor currently has to fill vacated U.S. Senate seats, I think that Democratic Party leaders, electeds, and rank-and-file members should reach out en masse to Senator Frank Lautenberg and ask him to resign his seat.

Bertin Lefkovic :: Should U.S. Senator Frank Lautenberg be asked to resign?
Obviously, there are risks that must be considered on both sides of this question, first and foremost being whether there is a greater risk that Senator Lautenberg's U.S. Senate seat will become vacant during Governor-elect Christie's first term in office than whomever Governor Corzine would select to replace Senator Lautenberg, if he were to resign, would lose to a Republican challenger in the 2010 general election?  For the sake of this discussion, let us assume that the risk/reward ratio leans towards Senator Lautenberg's resignation and replacement.

Turnout is obviously what determines success for Democrats and it is more likely that the turnout will be higher in 2010 if there is a compelling statewide election, which there would be if Senator Lautenberg were to resign and be replaced, than it would be if there isn't, which would be the case if this were to not happen.

Of course, this is also true if Senator Lautenberg's U.S. Senate seat was vacated during Christie's first months in office, although turnout would not be as much of a variable for a Christie-appointed incumbent in 2010 as it would be for a Corzine-appointed incumbent.

This question becomes even more critical during the middle two years of Christie's term as we have no idea what the 2010 elections will yield.  Considering the gains made by Republicans in 2004, there should be, once again, more Republican seats being defended than Democratic seats, which should theoretically yield additional gains in the Democratic majority in the Senate.

However, there is also history to contend with as the first mid-term elections in a President's term usually results in lost seats and President Obama's first year, while better than President Clinton's first year, does not fill me with a surplus of confidence going into next year's elections.

If the Democrats were to gain seats in the U.S. Senate in 2010, the future of Senator Lautenberg's seat would be less of an issue during the two years that followed, but if the Democrats were to lose seats next year, the loss of Senator Lautenberg's seat could result in a major legislative crisis for the Obama Administration.

Other factors to be considered when answering this question are the questions that would arise as a result of Senator Lautenberg's resignation and replacement.  Who would be the most likely replacement?  Could/Should/Would he/she be a caretaker or someone who would also run for re-election?

Would a caretaker replacement result in a free-for-all primary with sitting Congressmen being unable to run for re-election in their districts unless they were able to do what Rob Andrews did last year?  Are their districts safe enough in the current political climate in the state to pull off shenanigans like that?  Are their districts as safe as they seem or are they safe as a result of the power of incumbency?  Would open seats be less safe?  If so, how much less safe?

My answers to the caretaker-related questions are Yes; No; Power of incumbency more important than district makeup in most cases; Yes in most cases; Depending on turnout, Democrat running for an open seat could perform 5-15 percentage points lower than incumbent, except in majority-minority districts, where a Democrat running for an open seat could perform anywhere between 5-10 points higher to 5-10 points lower depending on the seat and individuals in question, making this entire scenario the most unlikely of all.

If a replacement runs for re-election, would he/she likely face primary challengers?  If so, how many?  Based on his personal relationship with Senator Lautenberg, the role that he played in keeping Senator Lautenberg on the party line in Bergen County last year, and his early support for President Obama, I think that Congressman Steve Rothman would be the most likely candidate to replace Senator Lautenberg.

Congressman Rothman is also the candidate who is least likely to face a primary challenge as the only likely challengers that he would face would be Congressman John Adler or Congressman Rob Andrews from South Jersey with Adler being the most likely challenger, because of the fragile nature of his district and Andrews' poor performance against Lautenberg last year.

Congressman Frank Pallone is probably the next most likely candidate to replace Senator Lautenberg and the next least likely candidate to face a primary challenge as he probably has the strongest statewide following amongst his Democratic colleagues in NJ's Congressional delegation.  One could argue that Congressman Andrews has the highest name recognition amongst NJ's Democratic Congressmen as a result of his participation in the 1997 gubernatorial primary election and the 2008 senatorial primary election, but I think that his performance in those primary elections speaks for itself.

Once again, Adler and Andrews represent the most likely primary challengers to Pallone with Adler being more likely than Andrews.  There is also a possibility that Pallone could enter a Rothman-Adler/Andrews primary race or that Rothman could enter a Pallone-Adler/Andrews race, but I think that either scenario is unlikely.

I think that Congressmen Adler, Andrews, Holt, Pascrell, Payne, and Sires are all unlikely replacements as they would most likely inspire a much larger field of primary challengers.

The wildcard in this whole discussion is Governor Jon Corzine himself.  If given the opportunity to name a replacement for Senator Lautenberg, as a former Senator and without a job to go to next year, is it possible, if not likely that he would name himself?  

Would Corzine's millions of dollars scare away everyone in the Congressional delegation from challenging him in a primary like it did in 2000?

Would soon-to-be former Senate President Codey, who never seemed particularly interested in the U.S. Senate seat that Corzine vacated after winning the gubernatorial election in 2005, take him on now that he would no longer have a Senate Presidency to return to and with absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain?

Would the cabal of party bosses that came together to oust Codey in favor of State Senator Steve Sweeney support him in this effort just to get him out of the State Senate and to give Governor Corzine one last thumb in the eye (or some other finger doing something else)?

If no other primary challenger stepped forward, is it possible that former Governor Jim Florio would attempt another comeback and take Corzine on in a rematch of their 2000 senatorial primary election?  As a former Florio staffer from that campaign, I find this scenario especially compelling, albeit extremely unlikely.  A politics junkie can dream, can't he?

Poll
Should Senator Frank Lautenberg be asked to resign? If so, who should Governor Corzine appoint to replace him?
No
Yes; Caretaker
Yes; Himself (Governor Jon Corzine)
Yes; Congressman John Adler
Yes; Congressman Rob Andrews
Yes; Congressman Rush Holt
Yes; Congressman Frank Pallone
Yes; Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr.
Yes; Congressman Donald Payne
Yes; Congressman Steve Rothman
Yes; Congressman Albio Sires
Yes; State Senator Dick Codey
Yes; State Senator Loretta Weinberg
Yes; Governor Jim Florio
Yes; Dunellen Boro Municipal Chair Bertin Lefkovic

Results

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No No No No No No No No..... (0.00 / 0)
Once again, you've managed to be crude and rude.

Lautenberg was elected to serve six years.  You weren't.   You have a right to ask Lautenberg to quit his job, but he also has a right to tell you to fuck off.

What we should be demanding as Democrats anjd as progressives is that the lame duck session pass a law that will call for an emergency/special election in the event that any Senator resigns or is incapacitated.  Period.

Yes, I can envision a scenario in which Lautenberg resigns now and allows Corzine the chance to appoint his successor.......but to be pushing Lautenberg to do that is more likely to make him want to dig in his heels.....a better, more certain,  way to go is to change the law to protect that Senate seat from becoming a haven for a right wing radical that never would have gotten elected ny the people.



crude and rude? (4.00 / 1)
If you can read something here without getting comletely unhinged, Nick, you would see that this entire diary is based on the assumption that the Democrats in Trenton are not going to change the law that covers how a Senate vacancy is filled.

This assumption is based on the belief that there are aspiring Governors on both sides of the aisle in the State Senate and State Assembly who want the power to appoint a replacement Senator if/when the opportunity presents itself if/when such aspirations become reality and they are not going to be quick to cede that power just because they are afraid that Senator Lautenberg's seat could become vacant at some point in the next four years.

As much as I agree with you that the Democrats in Trenton should change the law, you and I both know that there are a long list of things that should be one way, but will continue to be another.

It is going to require the flexing of every muscle that the progressive community has in its body just to get marriage equality legislation, which does not strip any elected office of any power that it currently has, passed.

After this herculean task has been accomplished, do you really think that it is remotely possible that in the same lame duck session, progressives are going to be able to push the Democrats in Trenton to unilaterally strip the office of the Governor of the power to fill a Senate vacancy?

To quote SNL, really?!  Really?!

Do you realize how bad it would look for Democrats to pass something like this just before a Governor-elect from the opposition party is about to transition into office (ever hear the term 'sour grapes'?) and the chilling effect that it would have on their efforts to work in a bipartisan manner?

As much as I share your willingness to put all of that aside to ensure that Christie does not have the opportunity to replace Senator Lautenberg if he had to vacate his seat during the next four years, the fact of the matter is that the Democrats in Trenton don't and progressives do not have enough muscle to make them do that AND win the marriage equality fight.

We have to pick our battles and to the best of my knowledge, the only battle to be waged during the upcoming lame duck session that cannot afford to be lost is marriage equality.

As much as Lautenberg has every right to tell me and anyone else who suggests that he should resign his seat to fuck off, I would hope that if the Obama administration is paying as close attention to this situation as they did to our state's gubernatorial election, they would support this idea by making Senator Lautenberg an offer of an important job in the administration that he could not refuse.

I also think that as DSCC Chair and someone who would like to be the Senior Senator from NJ, Senator Menendez should be considering this course of action as well.

I understand the reason for your knee-jerk reaction to this idea, but as important as it is for progressives to hope and wish for the best, we also have to be forward-thinking and pragmatic enough to expect the worst and be prepared for it.


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Immediately Jumping To Asking (in effect) For Lautenberg's Resignation... (0.00 / 0)
is crude and to expect him to meekly submit to such a de facto demand is rude.   Just as crude and rude as your other recent diary in which you essentially told Corzine he should leave the state....or spend his money the way you would have him do it.

New Jersey politics is hardball, and that's as it should be.   If Corzine had run a MORE hardball campaign I dare say he would have won.

If an overwhelmingly Democratic legislature is going to allow Christie a shot at appointing a US Senator because of "appearances" then I think that stinks.   Such a maneuver is perfectly legal and that's why they were ELECTED by the people!

Kicking Corzine our of office didn't mean that our state's people wanted a right wing Bush Republican in the Senate!   Nor did it mean that they want 4 Scalia clones  on the state supreme court!

The legislature needs to work with Christie to keep government functional....but that's all.  

My concern is that the Democratic machines tanked and let Corzine lose because of the possibility of real reform that he and and Weinberg represented.

Maybe it's good that you broached the topic of Lautenberg resigning........but I doubt it.   It's a bloody obvious thing to do/desire for bloody obvious reasons (I suspect many many of us here have thought about that for the last week but have held off on saying it out of respect for Lautenberg and in hopes that the legislature will do the right thing first and fast) .....but to make it seem like it's your idea that he's submitting to is imho more likely to make him want to stay if only to spite the folks pressuring him.   People don't like being pushed around and particularly THIS "people".    

By immediately asking Lautenberg to resign you take away the impetus for the legislature to act....and then if the disaster happens, they/you will blame Lautenberg for not quitting.  That's wrong!

The legislature MUST change the law asap, frankly, I believe that...as Democrats, that is their duty.    

If they fail to do so it'll be one more indication of how totally corrupt they are as they want to stay on the "good" side of Christie so he let's them keep their corrupt way of political life.

No doubt all manner of backroom deals are being proffered now with/from the Christie camp.

What we should be about is electing so many more progressive Democrats that Christie's veto pen becomes irrelevant.

If enough pressure is put on the Democratic legislative majority they will change the law re replacing US Senators and they will pass a marriage equality statute and they should pass dozens of other pieces of progressive agenda items because ethis may be their last chance to do anything progressively good for the people of this state that won't get vetoed.  They should be working 24/7 right now!



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REALLY???!!! REALLY???!!! (0.00 / 0)
I wrote a diary that raised more questions than it answers, but somehow, I am the one shoving Senator Lautenberg out the door.

GET A GRIP, NICK!!!

Blue Jersey is a great site, but with the exception of the Hazelbaker astroturfing scandal in 2006, I cannot remember a single occasion where something written here had the kind of impact that you ascribe to what I have written here.

As much as I think that asking Senator Lautenberg to resign and the Obama administration offering him a job that he cannot refuse is the only realistic solution to this problem, my primary goal in writing this diary was to start a conversation, not to force a legislative initiative that I know will not be passed.

As I have said numerous times, the primary reason that it will not be passed is not because Democrats in Trenton want to curry favor with Christie or for appearances sake, but because many of them want to be Governor someday and want to have the power to appoint a Senator if they get there and have the opportunity to do so.  Not wanting to look craven or piss off the guy that they are going to have to work with for the next four years is secondary.

I agree with you, Nick, that there are tons of progressive things that Democrats in Trenton SHOULD do with the lame duck session, but unless someone has a nosecount that tells me otherwise, it will be a major victory and a minor miracle if we can just get marriage equality passed.

If there was going to be a year where a progressive revolution was going to takeover Trenton, it had to be 2007.  It never happened, so the Democrats in Trenton are the people we have to work with right now.  If you want to lead a progressive revolution in 2011, when all of the seats are up for grabs, be my guest, but you had better start raising money right now.

You should probably start by talking to Jon Corzine, since you are probably on better terms with him than I am right now, although my crudeness and rudeness aside, probably not better enough for him to spare a dime to elect progressive primary challengers to incumbent Democratic legislators.

And I am not so arrogant to think that my crudeness and rudeness is ruining the good time that Corzine is having right now at St. Bart's, but if you hear through the grapevine that my tough talk is causing him to lose any sleep, then I would be more than happy to write him an apology at the same time that I am playing the world's smallest violin between my thumb and forefinger, just for him... and for you too.


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let's be careful (0.00 / 0)
It's a great discussion of what's at stake and what could be done, but I'm a little worried we are getting into name-calling territory here.  



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Bottom Lines... (0.00 / 0)
Lautenberg is more likely to resist overt pressure to resign than to co-operate with it.   The guy doesn't have a history of being a pushover, eh?

Trying to force/pressure someone to do something noble and selfless is itself a crass act.  

Bertin, as much as I agree with most of your aims and policy positions, you're style of engagement in this instance isn't likely to be productive.

I'm certainly far from perfect and don't mean to be "casting stones" but I have to call it as I see it.   Publicly pressuring Lautenberg to quit his job is crude and rude.

Far better for the lame duck DEMOCRATIC legislature to do their jobs and do what's best for the people of NJ and for our party.  That applies to this topic at hand,  marriage equality and maybe a couple of dozen bills that can be passed now that would be vetoed by Christie.   Perhaps we can agree on that much?


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please re-read what I have already written (0.00 / 0)
We have never been in disagreement about what the Democrats in Trenton SHOULD do.  Where we disagree is with what is reasonable to expect the Democrats in Trenton to do with the limited amount of influence that the progressive community has over policymaking in this state.

Me writing this diary is hardly placing public pressure on Lautenberg to resign.  Me writing this diary is having a conversation about this subject with the people who read this website.

If as a result of this conversation, thousands of people decided to call the Corzine and Obama administrations, which is highly unlikely in and of itself, who in turn make Lautenberg an offer that he cannot refuse, that would be public pressure.

I am not so arrogant to think that anything that I write here is going to have that kind of impact, and whether I am writing about Corzine investing in a progressive movement or getting out of the state or Lautenberg resigning his Senate seat, under no circumstances am I delusional enough to think that I am speaking directly to them, so let's not allow ourselves to get caught up in protocol here.  That's just silly.


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You Misunderstand and Underestimate The Impact Of Bluejersey (0.00 / 0)
It's not about how many people read this blog....it's about who they are, and how they interpret the content.

Your stuff here is indeed tantamount to a direct call for Lautenberg to resign.   That's counterproductive and divisive.

As I've said, the guy has a rep for not responding favorably to diktats.  (I had to really restrain my self there from making a terrible pun :-)

As to the substance of the proposal....see below  http://www.bluejersey.net/show...


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delude yourself if you want, but... (0.00 / 0)
...BlueJersey is just a blog.  It is a very good blog, but it is still just a blog, and as I have said before, the only time that anything written here has had a major impact on NJ politics was when Juan exposed the Hazelbaker astroturfing scandal.

Other than that, it is just a place where progressives share ideas, and that is what I have done.  While it is my opinion that Senator Lautenberg should be made an offer that he cannot refuse so that he could resign his seat with dignity, I do not expect that this will happen because I say that it should.

So, once again, please relax, Nick.  I really don't want to fight with you.


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I'm In Friendly/Playful Mode.... (0.00 / 0)
Although, implying that I'm "deluded" for simply disagreeing with you would likely arouse the impulse to slap down someone less forgivable.  lol   You're an ornery, but likable , critter.......and besides, we've got lots of work to do.     Gotta keep that powder dry as we'll be needing it to deal with Christie et al.  Eh?

Without a lot of objective and in depth study/interviews/polling etc we can't know for sure what the impact of this site is on the small circle of New Jerseyans who actually follow political events/policy closely. (Perhaps some of them are even in government! ;-)  That quest/research might make an interesting dissertation for someone.

Politicker did think enough of Juan's baby to give him some significant recognition in 2006.  If there's a more trafficked site frequented by moderate to progressive Dems let me know!


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not deluded for disagreeing with me (4.00 / 1)
You're deluded if you think that what you or I write here has a major impact on what happens in Trenton or Washington.

And 2006 was the year that Juan broke the Hazelbaker astroturfing story, which is why he received the recognition that he did.

Blue Jersey is a very good blog, but it is still just a blog.  It is a place for progressives to talk with one another and as such, we should be able to share ideas without all of the hysterics.


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LOL You Just Did It Again... (0.00 / 0)
...I never said that BJ has a "major impact on what happens in Trenton or Washington".   Even the Hazelbaker thing wasn't really major.  Her career survived.

Bertin, my friend, please consider the possibility that we can have radically differing opinions re the impact of this site (qualitatively and/or quantitatively) without either of us being delusional.  lol

I do believe that at the very least, some of the folks on the staffs of NJ Democrats, especially the more progressive ones, do regularly stop by.....and I do believe they likely talk to each other.....and that some of what gets said here has the potential to generate some kind of buzz.    (Please note all those conditional terms).

Also, what is said here is read by (at least a few hundred) folks throughout the state who care about politics.....and some of them are likely even in the opposition camp and want to keep tabs.

Now, can I prove that my perceptions/suspicions above are objectively true?  No.  As I've said, a proper study of the question would be involved and complex.

I do know for a fact that this isn't a privately distributed list serve and that anyone can read what we say here......and that doesn't inhibit me very much......especially when it comes to criticizing the essentially corrupt machine politics that is still dominant in our state.

Frankly, if I though this was just a place where all we did was bloviate amingst a few bloggers and that there was no chance of reaching anyone in actual power; I wouldn't have spent nearly as much time here as I have.

The one time I did get involved in a committee hearing in Trenton and testified I did in fact meet some folks there that were familiar with both the site and some of what I had written here.   Now that's just one anecdote.....but I do believe you underestimate the impact of this place.

Sometimes a mosquito buzzing about  in the ear of an elephant can get a lot of attention.

Bottom line is that I think that (in effect) publicly calling for FL's resignation is counterproductive...and you don't and that's ok!  

Now it's time for me to "buzz off" and disengage or this will go on till one of us drops dead from old age.   Feel free to have the last word and to tell me (or imply)  yet again that I'm delusional.    I forgive you in advance.  :-)


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please vote in the poll (0.00 / 0)
I realize now that I should have filled the last slot with Other instead of my own name.  Please feel free to vote for me if you really want to vote Other and we can all assume that it is a vote for Other that you are casting.

I only voted for myself, because I didn't want to skew the voting towards any of the other candidates in the poll prematurely, not because I am an insane egomaniac, which I might be nevertheless, but that was not the reason why I voted as I did.


No (4.00 / 1)
Changing the law to call for a special election within 90 days and either, no appointment by the governor or appointment until the special election, would be better.

Assuming for a moment... (0.00 / 0)
...that the Democrats in Trenton would go along with this, what should their response be when someone asks them why this wasn't done during the lame duck session that followed the 2005 election?

Should Jon Corzine, who was not yet Governor at the time, done the "right thing" and went to the Democrats in Trenton and asked them to strip him (and future Governors) of the right to choose the person who would replace him in the U.S. Senate?

I don't disagree with you or Nick that this is the correct solution to the problem from a pure policymaking perspective, but from a political perspective, it is a can of worms that you can trust me when I say that no Democrat in Trenton will ever open.

The Democrats in Trenton are far more interested in preserving their potential for future power and not looking even more craven and partisan than they already do than whether or not the U.S. Senators representing NJ are Democratic or Republican.

If the Democrats in Trenton could cut a deal with the Republicans to fill all 120 seats in the State Senate and State Assembly with Democrats and the 15 seats in the House and Senate with Republicans, they would make that deal in less than a heartbeat.

Conversely, most progressives, who tend to focus much more on Washington than Trenton, would probably cut the opposite deal if they could.


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Democrats Are Supposed To Act In The Public Interest... (0.00 / 0)
....as well as what's in the interest of our party.

Both of those would be dis-served by giving Christie the right to appoint a right wing Republican to the Senate.

Changing the law to protect against that outcome will be good policy and good politics....it's not complicated.

The only reasons I can see for the Democratic legislature to act against those two interests is because they are conflicted and want to have Christie as their "friend" for four years.  

Machines lubricate each other, eh?  And if such a bill isn't introduced and passed, that's exactly what the reasons will be.  Machine corruption operating on a bipartrisan/systemic basis.....the interests and wishes of the majority of New Jerseyans be damned.


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that's part of it (0.00 / 0)
But the primary reason that the Democrats in Trenton would not change the law in this way is because many of them aspire to be Governor one day and would like to have the power to fill a vacancy if the opportunity presents itself.

Assuming for a moment that Democrats retain their majorities in the Assembly and Senate in 2011 and 2013 and a Democrat defeats Chris Christie in 2013, would you have the Democrats change the law again so that a Democratic Governor would be able to fill a vacancy once again?

Do you have any idea how bad that would look to the voters?

Recently, the Democrats in MA changed their laws, which used to be the way that you are saying ours should be, so that Governor Patrick could appoint a replacement for Senator Kennedy.  Once a new Senator is elected, should they change the law back?

As I have said throughout this discussion, I agree with you that the law SHOULD be changed, but at the same time, I do not believe that it is reasonable to expect that it will be for the reasons that I have already explained.

IMHO, the only REALISTIC solution to this problem is for Senator Lautenberg to resign.  You can disagree with me about what is possible or not, but don't think less of me because of it.


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Close Vote: 9 say No and 8 say Yes (0.00 / 0)
It would be great if more people could weigh in with comments and votes.

The vote is now 10 for No and 9 for Yes... (0.00 / 0)
...with no consensus as to who should replace Senator Lautenberg if he resigned.

Please feel free to vote and comment.


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Senator Lautenberg (0.00 / 0)
is an outstanding advocate for Monmouth County and for New Jersey as a whole. He was elected overwhelmingly to a six year term. I'm offended that there would be any talk to replace him for discrimination towards his age even though his record as a US Senator is far better than many of his colleagues who are much younger than him.

age discrimination? (0.00 / 0)
The question that I have raised here and the opinion that I have expressed has less to do with Senator Lautenberg's age and more to do with his diminished performance on the stump that I witnessed last year.

If you and others want to roll the dice on whether or not he will be able to serve out the rest of his term, that is fine.  Considering the recent speculation regarding Lou Dobbs and his interest in running for the Senate, I might be less inclined than I was to roll the dice on a special election next year.

It is probably a moot issue anyway as Corzine has not shown any interest in expediting the retirement of any of the State Supreme Court justices, whose terms will definitely expire under Christie, making it even less likely that a move will be made on Lautenberg's seat.

As I have said previously, I am not as interested in pushing Senator Lautenberg prematurely towards retirement as I am seeing the Obama Administration making him a job offer that he cannot refuse as I respect the work that he has done throughout his career as much as anybody.

That said, more than anything, I am concerned about his seat becoming vacant while Christie is Governor.


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its irrelevant what you or I think, (0.00 / 0)
nearly 2 million New Jersey voters cast their ballot in 2008 in support of the Senator having another 6 year term. Thats it, period. Chris Christie, as governor has the right to fill a senate vacancy if that happens. Thats New Jersey law and that is his legal right - if the legislature opts to change the law then let it be, but even discussing that an excellent advocate for New Jersey resign from the Senate for political purposes is crazy.

I actually hope the Senator runs for another six year term in 2014. If he chooses not to run for re-election, there are plenty of great, prospective candidates, including Rep. Pallone and Rep. Holt who could clean the clock of any Republican on the ballot.  


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discussing = crazy? (0.00 / 0)
What is the purpose of a political blog other than to discuss ideas and either agree or disagree with them.

What would be crazy is to ignore the reality of the situation and not talk about it, solely out of respect for a great public servant, who, based on the way that he has been shielded from the public over the last year-plus, is clearly not who he used to be.

Yes, he votes the right way more often than not, but being a U.S. Senator is more than just casting votes.  In the months leading up to the June 2008 Senatorial primary, I never saw him speak in public, and it wasn't until I did later that fall that I was shocked to see how much he had deteriorated.

It's fine that you and others are willing to roll the dice on whatever the future might hold with him and his Senate seat, but at the same time, there should be nothing wrong with me or anybody else talking about alternative approaches to the situation.

This is a place to talk, so let's talk.  Let's agree.  Let's disagree.  Let's not call each other other crazy, because we think that certain topics are off limits, because I am sure that this is something that we can agree or disagree about as well.

That is the way that the establishment works.  A bill cannot be heard or debated until the outcome of the vote has already been predetermined.  How screwed up is that?


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I'm clearly not the only person talking about this (0.00 / 0)
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