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Live-Blogging the Gubernatorial Debate

by: JRB

Thu Oct 01, 2009 at 04:15:43 PM EDT



(As Christie's lead shrinks, the debate stakes go up. Here we go.... - promoted by Jason Springer)

POST-DEBATE: Thank you everybody. If you missed it, you can catch up on the meat and potatoes by reading Jason's excellent answer summaries.

POST-DEBATE #2: The debate will be broadcast again at NJN Sunday, Oct. 4 at 12 noon, and 6pm. It will also be archived at njn.net,but I'm not sure how fast. - - - Rosi

Meet here at 8:00. See you then.

The debate's being broadcast live on NJN, and is taking place at their studios in Trenton. It's also being broadcast live at NJN Public Radio and webcast and archived at njn.net. - - Rosi

Moderator: Jim Hooker, NJN News Senior Anchor
Panel: Michael Aron (NJN), Bob Ingle (Gannett) & Cynthia Burton (Philadelphia Inquirer)  
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Live-Blogging the Gubernatorial Debate | 171 comments
JRB strikes early (0.00 / 0)
looking forward to it.


I have to think of a witty signature about Frank LoBiondo
BurlCo in the HOUSE (4.00 / 1)
Thanks to Freeholder Chris Brown for hosting Burlington's debate watch party and to Jason for bringing Blue jersey to the party.DSCF9053

activist for hire.
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Shout out to BurlCo! n/t (0.00 / 0)


It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  
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ROSI! (4.00 / 1)
(glad you're back! while you were gone having dinner, Corzine had Christie for lunch.)

activist for hire.
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Vote By Mail (0.00 / 0)
this might be a good time to remind everyone that if you want to vote by mail, tonight would be a good time to print out the form so you can mail it tomorrow:

http://www.state.nj.us/state/e...

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Online streaming (0.00 / 0)
Is the streaming working for anyone else? All I get is a spinning gear.
me too (0.00 / 0)
I'm hoping it just hasn't started yet.

It's worked in the past for me.


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got it! (0.00 / 0)
It's working now.

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Refresh in 2 minutes. (0.00 / 0)
I think you get nothing, till the thing happens.  

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Got it (0.00 / 0)
It's on now.
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Out of sync (0.00 / 0)
Audio and video aren't in sync though. Argh.
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With the lottery (0.00 / 0)
out of the way, it's time for a debate.
EYES ON ThE CAMERA, DAGGETT! (0.00 / 0)
Don't be shy. You need to get your face out there.
Jim Hooker introduces (0.00 / 0)
the candidates, identifies the panel and explains the rules.
I was confused. (0.00 / 0)

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Aron: Christie's budget pland DOESN'T ADD UP (0.00 / 0)
Christie's response?
Christie does not answer. (4.00 / 1)
Corzine compliments Daggett. Calls Christie's "plan"???? a "fantasy."

"NO PLAN IS NOT WHAT BEING A GOVERNOR IS ABOUT."

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$35 billion less? (0.00 / 0)
In 8 years?  How can that be true?  

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when Daggett said I put out a tax plan (4.00 / 1)
I suddenly imagined he said "which even Blue Jersey has endorsed."  Oh well, it didn't happen.


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heh (4.00 / 1)
cuz that would be funny and as trus as most of what Christie says.

I'm having a lot of trouble with the streaming suddenly....

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.

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heh (0.00 / 0)
cuz that would be funny and as trus as most of what Christie says.

I'm having a lot of trouble with the streaming suddenly....

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.

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Aron goes first (4.00 / 1)
It sometimes seems your budget numbers don't add up. Talks about all the things that don't make sense.

Christie goes:  Clear distinction between he and his 2 opponents.  They have made clear that they will raise taxes.  He simply won't do that.  He'll go to Trenton and work w the Legislature. Talks about the last 8 years.  

Corzine gets a rebuttal congratulates Daggett on having a plan.  Governor says he has a record and a plan.  Christie has nothing. No plan is not what being Governor is about.

Daggett agrees Christie has put forward no plan.  Daggett talks about his plan.

Christie says Corzine's plan is to raise taxes. Says Daggett's plan is to raise taxes

Christie's collar looks tight. (0.00 / 0)
Corzine looks strong. Daggett looks a little shell-shocked by the klieg lights.
Aron gets a follow up (4.00 / 2)
says Christie is being vague.  

Christie says Aron has been in Trenton to long and just doesn't understand.  

Christie Attacks.... (4.00 / 2)
- Corzine
- Daggett
- Aron

Santa Claus next?

I was surprised (0.00 / 0)
he lashed out at Aron like that.
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Anybody still having issues with the webcast? (0.00 / 0)
If you are, a reminder that you need the most current version of flash player. Easy and quick to download.  

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The TV just cut audio out on Gov Corzine 2x (0.00 / 0)

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sketchy webcast! (0.00 / 0)
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works now (0.00 / 0)
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spoke too soon (0.00 / 0)
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back and forth n/t (0.00 / 0)
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works for me now that (0.00 / 0)
I plugged back in and am off battery power.

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.
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Cynthia Burton asks (4.00 / 1)
how to deal with the budget deficit.

Corzine talks about what they did last year.  Says projections have low expectations for revenues. Corzine mentions economic stimulus funds that Christie would reject he points.  Says we are down 8400 employees and is reducing the size of government.  Will take the steps tha tare necessary, he has a record.  Public has to ask what is the program Christie has.

Daggett says his proposal for tax cuts will deal with 1/3 of the deficit.  He will freeze spending. Will work with state workers to save their jobs he says.

Christie says the record is very clear. Says Corzine increased spending 20% and thats what put   us in the hole we're in.  NJ can no longer afford that type of Governance.

Corzine says they will make sure to protect the most vulnerable and not turn our back on the future.

Burton asks follow up on if (0.00 / 0)
they would seek more layoffs.  Corzine says they have already lead the way and will continue with hiring freeze.  We've had furloughs and wage freezes.
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Corzine did well on this question. (0.00 / 0)
I wonder if it will resonate or make no difference?
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If the budget is lower ... (0.00 / 0)
If the budget is smaller than the one Corzine inherited, how could Corzine have increased spending?
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Christie DOES NOT look confident (0.00 / 0)
Anybody watch the GOP debates. Christie had this smirk..... he's on his heels now, boy.
Christie's not very telegenic (0.00 / 0)
He always seems to be frowning.
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Bob Ingle asks about (0.00 / 0)
the Transportation Trust Fund.  

Daggett goes first and says the D's and R's have broken the trust fund.  Only way to realistically deal with it is additional tolls, increased tolls and gas taxes.

Christie agrees that D's and R's history is not laudable.  Whitman and Corzine made mistakes. Attacks Corzine and Daggett for saying they'd raise taxes, still says nothing about what he'd do or how he'd pay for it.

Corzine said we have to fix it. You can't just turn your back on it like Christie said.

Daggett says Christie it's easy to criticize when you have no plan.  He'd like the tooth fairy to come too, but you have to face the issues open and honestly.  Until we do that, we're not gonna be competitive.

Daggett just BURNED Christie (4.00 / 1)
Said he can't wait around for the "tooth fairy."
Ingle follows up (0.00 / 0)
asking how much Daggett would raise tax.  He said who wants to raise taxes, but we have crumbling roads, bridges and to many potholes.  Amount to raise is going to be determined as get a better handle on the numbers
Corzine is looking good on this. (0.00 / 0)
Christie is going after Daggett. Daggett returns fire.

Corzine acts like a governor.

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Christie on mandates (0.00 / 0)
Liar, liar big pants on fire.

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Christie is getting it from both sides. (0.00 / 0)
Daggett's got one flank, Corzine the other.
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This is where I got to shout "You Lie!" (4.00 / 2)
(and the crowd at my party laughed)
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Daggett (0.00 / 0)
calling out Christie on how is he not cutting mandates while not having mandates. Then he endorsed the policy, but basically showed Christie is lying.


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Burton goes to mandates (4.00 / 1)
asks Christie about what he'd cut from the list of mandated coverages.  

Christie said he wouldn't cut mandated coverage.  Said he proposes a plan to say that for those that are uninsured, we should get them some insurance.

Corzine says he thanks god that Christie's mom had a mammogram.  He hopes all women have them, thinks the issue should be about whether insurance companies should pay for it.  Fact is that the Star Ledger says mandates that come off of policies would give them the option to drop.

Daggett says Christie's quote is no cut of mandates.  If you don't cut the mandates, how can you make it affordable and reduce premiums.  Daggett says some mandated coverage may not be in policies.  You can't have no mandates and also reduce premiums.

Christie says he would not have a plan that would prevent any women from getting a mammogram. Attacks Corzine and says he has run a shameful campaign.

Oh, you mean (0.00 / 0)
the ad that Star Ledger said contained facts?

Okay, Mr. Christie. Gotcha.

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Corzine talks constitutional responsibilities (0.00 / 0)
Good.  

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Daggett (0.00 / 0)
"Isn't it appropriate that I'm in the middle of these two guys?"

Classic.

He practiced that one in the mirror. (0.00 / 0)
He's looking more comfortable now though.
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Good one by Daggett (0.00 / 0)
about it being appropriate he's "in the middle of these 2 guys."

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Finally, Corzine smiles (4.00 / 1)
And it's just to laugh at Christie's bullshit.

SMILE, Jon. Clean the floor with this guy.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

Ingle asks about taxes (4.00 / 1)
Corzine first responds to Christie, then says he wouldn't take it off the table.  Doesn't intend to raise taxes, but you have to balance the budget.

Daggett says isn't it appropriate he's in the middle of them. Daggett says the last resort is to raise taxes, he's trying to do tax balances.

Christie says Governor just wants to scare women. Christie says if Gov says raising taxes is a last resort, thats a resort he's checking into.  They pan to Corzine in the split screen and he laughs.

Corzine says Christie doesn't give any specifics.  Lists some of their accomplishments.

Aron asks about property taxes (4.00 / 1)
Daggett says tax rebate is a sham.  He's giving a real property tax cut of $2500, which is more than they get under the tax rebate plan. His plan talks about cutting corporate taxes and expands sales tax to cover wider range of services to be paid primarliy by people in upper income brackets.  He says its making the system fairer, more balanced and more competitive.

Christie says he thinks he heard the Gov cut taxes seriously.  Avg prop tax bill has gone up $1000 and mediam income has dropped.  Calls it the Corzine squeeze.

Corzine says NJ is one of 5 states that had a median increase in income. Says they've increased the property tax rebate for some, expanded senior freeze, provided earned income credit.

Daggett says he's getting squeezed in the middle.  Talks more about his plan

Betcha Christie is thinking right now: (4.00 / 2)
"Gee, I wish I had come up with a platform, rather than running on a nickel and a wish."
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From my boyfriend (4.00 / 2)
Endomorph, ectomorph, and mesomorph.  

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cute! (0.00 / 0)

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Aron ask follow up (0.00 / 0)
where is Christie's prop tax plan.

Christie says encourage shared services and consolidation.  There is no silver bullet plan and mentions Corzine 40 in 4 proposal from 4 years ago.  Still doesn't answer anything.

Christie trying to justify (4.00 / 2)
why he has no plan.  Plans don't work anyway.



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Right. (0.00 / 0)
We don't need no stinkin' plans. So, so lame.


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Watch out! (0.00 / 0)
He's goin' rogue!
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Smarmy response (0.00 / 0)
Christie snickers when asked whether he plays by his own set of rules.
Daggett (0.00 / 0)
certainly is able to get the best lines, "I'm in the middle," "I don't care about that," etc.

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Christie doesn't care he hit someone (0.00 / 0)
driving the wrong way.  Oops, that he got his.

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28 minutes in. (0.00 / 0)
Christie plays the Ferriero card.  

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I'm surprised (0.00 / 0)
it took that long.
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Ingle asks about (4.00 / 1)
the 1 set of rules for himself, another for everyone else.

Says he followed federal laws. Talks about his record as US Attorney. Says there is no 2 sets of rules. Corzine has entertained people with his money and ads, and he's happy to stand by his record.

Corzine says it misses the point.  When people talk about all Christie's issues and then says you want a different example, then there is 1 set of rules for himself and another for others.  Thats not the example you want your Governor laying down.

Daggett doesnt care about driving records or girlfriends.  We need to talk about specifics and real issues.  Says he's the only one who has laid out specifics.  Only way to set example is from the top and by the way, his driving record is clean.

Christie says he agrees with Daggett and doesn't care about that either. Brings up Ferriero and talks about money Corzine donated to Ferriero and that his co-defendant pled guilty.  Says Corzine enabled corruption with his own personal money.  Corzine gets no follow up.

Daggett sounds great on education. (0.00 / 0)

Corzine sounds better. n/t (0.00 / 0)


It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  
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Aron asks about early childhood education (4.00 / 1)
Corzine says pre-school is the single most important reform.  Expanded the number of charter schools. Corzine says he believes in charter schools and options, but need to make sure public schools everywhere are as successful as they are in most places.  Talks about some of the successes of NJ education.

Daggett says we have to hold people accountable.  Talks about drop out rate in urban areas.

Christie says once again he agrees with Daggett.  Says 1 out of 10 children that start public school graduate from public high school in camden.  Mentions seniors failing high school exam in Newark.  Says we're failing our children and Gov is part of bureacracy.

Corzine says we're putting more money into early childhood education. Points out Christie calls it babysitting.  Says the issue isn't our teachers, in fact they're the best in the country.  We need to stand with them, not criticize.

Aron asks follow up on recent approvals of charter schools and if Christie deserves credit.  Corzine said he's been pushing it all along.  

dumb premise by Aron on charter schools (4.00 / 1)
The Obama admin is pushing them (for better or worse), that's a much more plausible explanation for approving a bunch and loosening rules.

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hear hear (0.00 / 0)
Where's Christie on federal funds? Oh yeah, HE'D REJECT THEM TO BOOST HIS RNC CRED.
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He tried to backtrack (0.00 / 0)
and play games on this tonight.  JRB you were the 1st one I saw call him out on rejecting stimulus funds. I know this isn't what he was saying then.
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Christie plays the Ferriero and Oury card (4.00 / 1)
just as I knew he would.  HERE is my response.

My firsthand, Blue Jersey, blow by blow description of what REALLY happened in the past four years when Jon Corzine fought Boss Joe and supported corruption buster Loretta Weinberg time and again.  


One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.

Nice. (0.00 / 0)
Will go re-read that link after the thing.  

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Daggett's pension plans (0.00 / 0)
I don't understand his answer, except that he says there's a problem. Sounds like he stumbled in the first part of what he said, then backtracked to more gentle language.

Reminder to self: Look at the tape, and see where that was going. Because, I just don't get it.  

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it's a complex answer (0.00 / 0)
defined benefit means they get a certain amount fer shure.

defined contribution is like 401(k).  you put a certain amount in and what you get ultimately depends on other stuff (market, etc.)

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.

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Burton asks about closing the pension system (4.00 / 1)
Daggett goes first and says we can't afford gov't we have.

Christie says that for new employees excluding law enforcement, should have to go to 401k type plan.

Corzine says for many years D's and R's didn't fund pension system.  Says he's put more money in the last 4 years than gov's from the last 4 years behind.  Talks about changes they've made to pension system. Corzine says we can make it work if we manage and reform it.

Daggett agrees that D's and R's haven't done well by the Pension system for a long time.  He says Corzine hasn't made tough decision w employee union to keep system solvent.

Dinner break for me. (4.00 / 2)
And a glass of wine. This debate is nervewracking. Catch you on the flip.  

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HEY BILL BARONI! (4.00 / 3)
Christie just said he's going to start laying off your constituents.

See ya in 2011!

Hamilton will be a shell (0.00 / 0)
(and that's puting it diplomatic)

activist for hire.
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Questions from voters (4.00 / 1)
be specific about how to solve states structural deficit.  be specific about cuts and if not tax increases, how do you manage that.

Christie says we have to manage money better.  Talks about specific examples where he thinks the state has failed.  Talks about not having any more food in space programs.

Corzine says Christie continues to talk about last 8 years, but he's only been Governor for 4 years.

Daggett says $8 billion budget gap is so big, you could fire every state worker and wouldn't balance.  Says what Christie proposes wouldn't balance.  His tax cut plan takes care of 1/3 of the problem.  Freezing spending will take care of another 1/3.  Final 1/3 they'll figure out in the spring.

Christie says lets talk about the last 4 years then.  Says for every 1 govt employee, there are 21 people in state of NJ.  Says Gov has walked away from concession for political purposes.

Hooker asks follow up on people saying what Christie says doesn't add up.  Christie says they're wrong.

oh jeez..... (0.00 / 0)
Why do I feel like this is a debate between Daggett and Christie? (0.00 / 0)

Corzine's striking me as milquetoasty (0.00 / 0)
Daggett is smarmy. Christie is indignant.
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Daggett = smarmy. (0.00 / 0)
Boy, do I agree with that. He's taking every easy shot, then leaning back with a self-satisfied smile. But I don't see the substance.  

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How do we keep people in NJ (4.00 / 1)
Corzine says some people move out, some move in.  That's normal turnover, particularly in northeastern states. Talks about expansion of jobs and says once we get through this recession.

Daggett says unemployment is to high.  We need to make tax system fairer.  Talks about changes he'd have and says Christie's math doesn't work.

Christie compares tax rate in NJ to PA.  Says Gov has to admit his economic policies have not worked and we need to change course.  

Corzine says Christie and Daggett act like we're suffering worse than others in this current economic climate.  If we continue to pretend there isn't an economic crisis.

Hooker asks follow up about tax rates and people leaving.  Corzine shows examples of people coming in.  Says there are going to be comings and goings.  If we leave up at 10.3%, it would hurt, that's why it will revert back at end of fiscal year.

I like this Piscataway questioner. (0.00 / 0)
And the long smile, nod and eyebrow raise.
I think Chris Christie is having 'the birds and the bees' talk via NJN. (4.00 / 3)

Reproductive rights and lowering teen pregnancy (4.00 / 1)
Daggett says he thinks its certainly an education issue.  Says he is pro-choice. Says we need better education system and to assist people to go to term and bear a child.

Christie response.  He says he understands question.  Christie says teach them that sexual activity is not something they should be engaged in. Says we will do it by making family stronger.

Corzine says Christie and he totally disagree.  Believes strongly in women's right to choose, prenatal advice and education.  believes abortion should be safe, legal and rare, but that family planning is broadly disseminated.

Daggett agrees wholeheartedly with Corzine. In the end, a woman should have the right to choose.

Ridiculous (0.00 / 0)
that this is even an issue. What serious opposition is there in NJ to a woman's right to choose?
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The GOP-ers raise money on that (0.00 / 0)
It's their bread & butter issue.
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Let's just teach kids that sex is bad (0.00 / 0)
i am sure that'll work

activist for hire.
We need to get back to the good ol' days.... (0.00 / 0)
.... when kids didn't have sex.
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yeah great idea... (0.00 / 0)
...why didn't we think of that earlier?!

activist for hire.
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I like the montage of property tax questions (0.00 / 0)


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90s flashback - the line item veto (0.00 / 0)
Ah, good times.

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A few people ask about property taxes and taxes (4.00 / 1)
Christie goes first, says this is a clear difference.  Says this is what he's seen all across the state since February and the Gov doesn't understand.  Says we have to lower taxes and the way to do it is to lower spending.  We have to spend less so we can tax less.  Says he will do it either by cooperating or using the line item veto. Says Corzine and Daggett are wrong.

Corzine points to SL saying Christie's tax plans are a fantasy.  He talks about what they've done over the last 4 years including cap and school funding formula.

Daggett says Christie all fluff no plan.  Corzine taxes.  Daggett's plan, cut prop taxes, expand sales.

Christie says Daggett saying he will expand sales tax means he has his hand in your pocket.

Very sorry, Jay.... (3.50 / 2)
.... but the medical marijuana guy is a walking stereotype.
Bearded old dude with a ponytail... (0.00 / 0)

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Great response (4.00 / 2)
from Corzine on medical marijuana: "I'll sign the bill," full stop.
compassion. full stop. n/t (0.00 / 0)
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Corzine pulls from Biden's playbook (0.00 / 0)
"I'll sign it."  Short answer.


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Question about medical marijuana (4.00 / 2)
Corzine says he'll sign the bill.  Hooker says ok w laughter from crowd.  

Daggett says he's for it as long as its targeted to the person.

Christie says the devil is in the details because he has a law enforcement background.  Says he'd be in favor when true pain and suffering, don't want to turn into California.

Corzine says the bills that he has seen have very strict restrictions and he'd sign the bill.

Hooker says there are bills with details.  Have you studied the bills or details.  Christie says he think the Senate bill needs to be strengthened.  Hooker says strengthened? Christie says yes more safeguards.

Christie's got a 'Trickle Down Job Program' (0.00 / 0)

Question about uninsured (4.00 / 1)
Christie points to statistics of uninsured.  Says the policies in place have been a failure.  Needs to allow out of state insurance companies to come and compete.  Can't allow people to continue going from emergency room to emergency room.

Corzine talks about expanding # of ppl insured.  Says over 100,000 children they have signed up for heatlhcare.  Are working over and over again.  Corzine hits Christie on out of state policies and mandateless plans.

Daggett is hopeful Congress passes something.  

Christie talks about out of state insurance companies.  Says the policies coming in won't be mandate free, just will be cheaper.

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Questions about economic growth (4.00 / 3)
Daggett says only way to bring back economy, attract jobs and retain jobs that are here, is to get on top of cost of government.  Make system leveler, fairer and make Nj more affordable.

Christie response says that unemployment is the highest in over 30 years.  Christie says economy is worse than other states, he's not pretending.  Says the reason is the tax policy pursued by Corzine administration.

Corzine says they want to put gentleman back to work.  Talks about projects they are working on to do that. Talks about construction projects and clean energy program.  Says we are putting people back to work on infrastructure.

Daggett says putting people back to work is slow and we need to make state more attractive.  haven't done that under D's and R's who have put us in a deep hole.

TIME OUT (4.00 / 1)
Bravo Jason, on getting the meat for people who will read this later.
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Thanks! (0.00 / 0)

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I have an eye on your JaSON! (4.00 / 2)
DSCF9050action in Burlington County

activist for hire.
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haha (0.00 / 0)
way to give a look from over my shoulder. thanks for hooking me up at the debate watching party with internet access and food.
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Daggett is in LA LA LAND (0.00 / 0)
if he thinks that health care reform will get Republican votes..... Christie has made a mistake tying himself so closely to national Republicans.
Daggett punted (0.00 / 0)
on health care, saying that he hopes Congress will pass something.
oh, come on Christie (0.00 / 0)
The insurers will move to some state which will race to bottom to loosen regulations. See credit cards.

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Unbelievable (4.00 / 1)
Christie says it doesn't necessarily mean that these things won't be mandated. DUH. It only takes one open window for your house to be broken into.
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Every time Christie mentioned 8 (4.00 / 1)
years,  I shuddered as a nasty flashback to the Bush yrs came over me.  Keep doing it, Chris.  

Petulant, petulant Christie. I don't think the public could stand 4 yrs of his condescending tone.  I'm having trouble just listening for 90 minutes....  


One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.

Surprised it hasn't been more of an issue (0.00 / 0)
That he was a Bush Pioneer.
[ Parent ]
I was surprised by that as well (0.00 / 0)
We barely heard Bush and didn't hear Karl Rove.
[ Parent ]
Gratuitous slap at Daggett (4.00 / 1)
by Christie. Independents really aren't the problem here...
Hooker asks why Corzine doesn't use a blind trust (4.00 / 1)
Corzine says there isn't an issue there.  Says it's one of those if you don't like the truth, make up your own version.  Points to Christie's investments. Says he has no knowledge of what the hedge fund invests in.  

Daggett says we need strong ethics laws in NJ and we need to stop the corruption that occurs under the cover of law.  Points to healthcare and pension systems.  Says issue of Gov's investments is a non issue and another diversion.

Christie says all his assets will go to a blind trust when he wins.

Corzine says Christie has had plenty of opportunities to put his money in a blind trust in his 7 years in public office.  Corzine says we should be talking about other things.

Anybody catch in the beginning where (0.00 / 0)
Christie said folks would ONLY have a public OPTION?  Trying to confuse folks that their current insurance would be taken away just like a Republican....

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.
Dagget is dreaming..... (0.00 / 0)


One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.
Daggett sounds very convincing (0.00 / 0)
in saying that he believes he can win.

But Christie says Daggett is just more of the same. He is really, really tone-deaf.

Another zinger by Daggett (4.00 / 1)
"Sounds like these two guys might vote for me!"
[ Parent ]
He should (4.00 / 1)
make a campaign commercial out of both of them saying how they agree with him, then him saying it sounds like they might vote for me, then him saying the voters should too.
[ Parent ]
Corzine much more thoughtful (4.00 / 1)
and knowledgable than his opponents.

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.
Hooker questions Daggett (4.00 / 1)
Daggett says he's not in it to play the spoiler role.  He's in it to win. Daggett says he will give a responsible set of alternatives and that's why people gravitate to him.  He just needs to get 1 more votes than the other people running.  Says he can with 34% of the vote.  

Christie agrees w/ Daggett that D's and R's have made a mess.  He says they don't need the change Daggett is offering.  Christie actually criticizes Corzine for having no plans.  Yes, really.

Corzine says he thinks its good that Daggett is in the race. Talks about what they've done and how he thinks its positive.

Daggett says it sounds like both of these guys might vote for me.

Daggett is getting all the zingers in there. (4.00 / 1)
But is anybody watching this thing?
[ Parent ]
I'm not (0.00 / 0)
I'm reading you guys. :-)
[ Parent ]
Anyone else catch Christie dissing Christie? (0.00 / 0)
I was shocked to hear Christie bring up Christie Todd Whitman's causing the financial debacle at the beginning.  I could hear the RNC folks groan from here.  

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.
This debate is flying by. (0.00 / 0)
Some drag. But this is POPPIN'.
I agree (0.00 / 0)
I wonder what an undecided voter would think.

I have to think of a witty signature about Frank LoBiondo
[ Parent ]
same response (0.00 / 0)
from the people in the room here in Burlington County. We're at Freeholder Chris Brown's office and they are enjoying the debate and the format.
[ Parent ]
Back to questions from the panel (4.00 / 1)
Aron asks about federal stimulus funds and Christie rejecting funds.  Talks about contradictions from his campaign. Why not accept all the help we can get.

Christie 1st attacks Corzine, then says if it involves an expansion of current program, thats what he wouldn't accept.  He said only about $200 million of $3 billion is what he'd reject.

Corzine responds saying Christie once again if he doesn't look like the truth he makes up his own version.  Says you have to balance the budget. Corzine says he can't understand what anyone would be thinking not taking federal stimulus funds.  Turning down those funds is ridiculous.

Daggett says stimulus had to much pork. We do need stimulus money, but it has to be targeted.

Christie says Corzine's thinking is why we have a $10 billion deficit.

Aron gets a follow up and asks Corzine to respond to Christie saying we've heard no plans from Corzine. Corzine says what they're doing.

Corzine is taking it to Christie (0.00 / 0)
on the economy.

Don't bring the kind of policies that wrecked the world to NJ.

Corzine is taking it to Christie (0.00 / 0)
on the economy.

Don't bring the kind of policies that wrecked the world to NJ.

Corzine is taking it to Christie (0.00 / 0)
on the economy.

Don't bring the kind of policies that wrecked the world to NJ.

Bush (0.00 / 0)
I had to sign off for dinner. But has Corzine mentioned Bush anywhere tonight. For chrissakes, Christie is Bush redux. Same approach. Same assumptions about who and what is important. Same willingness to cut people loose. Same friggin guy.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  
[ Parent ]
The politicker liveblog (0.00 / 0)
was surprised that Corzine didn't mention Bush very much (if at all)... very odd, since Bush (and certainly Christie's 'chatting buddy' Rove) are toxic here even to the non-political junkie
[ Parent ]
Corzine keeps throwing out too many numbers (0.00 / 0)
and statistics.  Needs to bring it back down to something more digestible for those who don't love numbers like I do.

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.
Numbers are good (0.00 / 0)
They show Corzine has more of a command of reality and give him the advantage of being the horse you don't want to change midtstream.  Meanwhile Christie comes off like an annoying teen who keeps complaining "WHY doesn't anybody LIKE me?????"

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.
[ Parent ]
Burton asks another question... (0.00 / 0)
Corzine says Bush policies is how we got into this mess.

Daggett says Democrats tax and spend.  Republicans borrow and spend.  Common denominator is spend.  Time to stop that.

Christie says Corzine has so little experience cutting taxes, he doesn't know what we're talking about. Says Corzine needs to get on the ground and listen to people.  It's our tax policy that stifling jobs.

Corzine says Christie doesn't know it was a temporary tax.  We had a requirement to balance the budget.  They cut to a split screen of Christie smirking while Corzine answers.

Burton asks a follow up to Corzine about unemployment figures.  Asks about trends that make us feel good.

Corzine says no one can feel good when unemployment is what it is and number are going up.  But we have seen private sector growth for 2 months in a row with slower declines the prior 2 months.  Talks about cuts in public jobs.

Bob Ingle thinks he's being cute (0.00 / 0)
By asking short questions.

He comes off like an ass.

Shore rentals ... what? (0.00 / 0)
WTF is Christie talking about?  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  
QUESTION: If Christie has no problem with civil unions.... (0.00 / 0)
.... why does he have a problem with marriage equality?

ANSWER: BEcause he thinks he will be Sarah Palin's running mate someday.

Ingle asks about same sex marriage (4.00 / 3)
Daggett says he'd sign the bill.  Then goes back to sales tax.  He says he's not raising sales tax, expanding to broader range of services.  Says it will fall largely on the upper side of the income bracket

Christie says NJ civil union law is good and working.  He doesn't support same sex marriage.  He believes marriage is between a man and a woman.  He wouldn't sign the bill.  Christie goes back to Daggett's plan for taxes saying he's going to destroy shore rental business.

Corzine says he will sign marriage equality bill working through the legislature.  He said he has a commitment to equality under the law and that is what is at stake here.  

Daggett goes back to shore rentals and tries to explain and what they'd do with the money.

Daggett really sounded like he (0.00 / 0)
wanted to change the subject FAST when it came to marriage equality...

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.
[ Parent ]
sorry Christie, Aron already said (0.00 / 0)
Corzine is loosening the rules.

I have to think of a witty signature about Frank LoBiondo
Burton asks about oversight for education and charter schools (0.00 / 0)
Christie says his Dept of Ed wont put hurdles up to block charter schools.  He says Corzine admin has dragged its feet.  Christie talks about how Charter schools do it at a lesser cost.  Says Corzine is captive of public ed system that wants to keep status quo.

Corzine says we're expanding charter schools, but need to make sure all charters are quality charters.  He says he doesn't agree with vouchers and draining resources from public system.  Will undermine ability to pay for charters and rest of system.

Daggett says 25 charter schools have closed because they didn't do job necessary.  Says we should do the same thing with failing public schools.

Christie says he'll make this really clear.  He's for vouchers in school districts that are failing.  Says Corzine would rather continue to send people to failing schools while he wastes his time.

CLOSING STMNT: Daggett looks into your heart... (4.00 / 1)
... and then at his notes.
I swear (0.00 / 0)
there were a few times in that closing of Daggett's where I think somebody was hitting his reset button.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  
[ Parent ]
I swear (0.00 / 0)
there were a few times in that closing of Daggett's where I think somebody was hitting his reset button.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  
[ Parent ]
CHRISTIE: "Hope can be real again..." (4.00 / 2)
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Same reaction here (4.00 / 1)
in the room.
[ Parent ]
Closing arguments (4.00 / 3)
Daggett says election is important, maybe most important in our lifetime.  You already know that D's and R's are responsible for breaking.  Only independent leadership can help solve problem.  He talks about how their campaign is the only one that has provided specifics and told the truth.  Talks about his property tax plan. Says they've run a positive campaign and have tried to earn your vote.  Says D's and R's are trying to scare to say an independent can't win.  Join him on Nov 3.

Corzine says that on things that matter for families of NJ, he stands w them.  Thats why he's worked w Obama to shape economic plan.  Christie would have turned down as much as $5 billion. On healthcare, we are expanding coverage for all citizens.  Christie would cut quality by accepting mandate free policies.  We have worked to make sure education continues to be the best.  Have closed education gaps. On the things that matter, he will help make families better.

Christie says 9.7% unemployment, highest in over 30 years and worst in region.  Highest tax burden on each citizen.  Highest property taxes going up. Nearly 200,000 jobs lost this year. NJ is in crisis because we are taxed to much, because we spend to much and because we borrow to much.  Says you know, hope can be real again if we cut income taxes, hope can be real again if we restore nj to pride and prosperity.  He will restore your hope, faith and trust in government.

Christie always compares (0.00 / 0)
NJ's unemployment to NJ's unemployment in the past, which was better BB (before Bush).  His argument about the NJ employment being worst in region (also vague) is disingenuous because NJ took an especially hard hit jobwise last year when the financial meltdown occurred. Our hardest hit sector up in Northern Bergen County was financial workers. Those were Bush's policies - and Christie's that led to the meltodown that lost thousands of financial sector jobs that hit NJ disproportionately.

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.
[ Parent ]
hope can be real again!? (4.00 / 2)
if this dude thinks he's a Ronald Reagan that's the biggest crock i heard all night!

activist for hire.
Hope can be real again. (4.00 / 5)
That strikes me as a horrible line for Chris Christie to use. He says it with no sense of irony whatsoever.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  
is Christie serious? (0.00 / 0)
"Hope can be real again?"

that's a good one.

Scott Garrett - on the wrong side of, well, everything.

Next on NJN (0.00 / 0)
in case you haven't had enough, analysis from the panel, and wrap-up.

Note: The debate will be archived at njn.net. Not sure how quick it will be posted. It will be rebroadcast on Sunday, October 4 at noon and 6 pm at NJN.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

Grumpy! (0.00 / 0)
Now why didn't I think of that word. It's PERFECT to describe Christie

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.
Apopleptic (4.00 / 1)
That's the descriptor I generally reach for when describing Christie. The guy pops his buttons with rage and strain.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  
[ Parent ]
Insta-poll: Who won the debate? (0.00 / 0)

Draw. (4.00 / 1)
Nobody did anything to pop.
[ Parent ]
In my opinion, Daggett. (4.00 / 1)
The fact that he had a clearly defined plan really made him look good. Also, both Christie and Corzine kept agreeing with him in part, which also made him come off well. And it always helps to be the guy who gets in the zingers.

An impressive performance for a guy whose natural public speaking skill is frankly not much better than Doug Forrester's.

[ Parent ]
I wondered to myself (4.00 / 1)
whether both candidates agreeing with Daggett made him seem more credible to voters who haven't seen him before. It seemed like Daggett warmed up and felt more comfortable as the debate went on.
[ Parent ]
I can sum up Daggett's performance in one word: (0.00 / 0)
"GULP."

Ultimately, looked like he didn't belong.

[ Parent ]
Zingers (4.00 / 1)
I think Daggett had the most of them. But though it was fun to watch, that got old for me pretty fast. There was a lot of easy answers from him, long on zinger, short on substance. He had an easy job. He did it very, very well.

And he benefitted tremendously just being on the stage, and being taken more seriously for that 90 minutes than in most of his campaign. He took that opportunity and worked it to good advantage.  

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

[ Parent ]
I also think (0.00 / 0)
Corzine knows Daggett's record and has a respect for the man personally. Corzine came off as remarkably civil when addressing him.  

Christie lacked even the basic respect when saying "you don't understand".  Nobody understands - only Christie does.  Reminds me of that police academy movie where Bobcat Goldthwait laments that no one understands him.  When prompted to speak more clearly he cries "now I have to watch my DICTION??"

One Vote. Yours. It really does matter.

[ Parent ]
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