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Which is the right way to go on healthcare?

by: NJCentrist

Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 07:20:38 PM EDT



The challenge of healthcare reform is perhaps the toughest one facing the 111th United States Congress.  When it comes to Obama's agenda -- not economic recovery, but the things that he's always planned on doing -- healthcare reform is certainly the number one priority.  But it's easier said than done.  

I want to make something clear right off the bat:  I'm not here to try and argue against universal healthcare or a public option.  I am not opposed to that on principle.  I had the good fortune of listening to Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Illinois) speak on this subject recently.  She said, "We are the only industrialized Western nation that regards healthcare as a privilege and not a right." That really struck me.  It's obvious to anyone that the current healthcare system is majorly screwed up, and damn the insurance companies, we need to make some major changes.  

We can all agree on that much, but we can't agree on how to go about it.  The easiest part, it seems to me, is to expand the options that people have when it comes to picking a health insurance company.  People should absolutely be able to buy health insurance across state lines, rather than being forced to pick one of two preposterously overpriced options in the state.  Any bill that is passed must include such a provision.  For that matter, why, in this day and age, are health insurance companies still exempt from anti-trust laws?  That needs to be changed.  

So that's the easy part.  The harder parts to pass are (a) the health insurance mandate, (b) the creation of a government-run health insurance option, and, hardest of all, (c) paying for it.  

Those are the parts I have a harder time supporting.  First of all, the mandate.  This whole idea really bothers me.  It's not a uniquely Democratic idea; Mitt Romney's plan also includes a national mandate.  But I feel very uneasy about it, to be honest.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that one of the differences between Obama and Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary season a year-and-a-half ago?  Unless I'm mistaken, he was against the mandate then and she was for it.  I guess he changed his mind.  I still haven't.  This isn't like driving a car, where the government can force you to get insurance to use their roads.  This is the government trying to force you to get insurance so long as you're alive.  I'm not saying it's a bad thing to have health insurance -- that'd be stupid.  But I really don't like the mandate idea.  

Then there's the public option.  Again, I'm not against the idea in theory.  As a matter of fact, I really do like the idea of having a public option compete with the private insurance companies to drive insurance prices down.  But the reality is less pretty than the theory, I fear.  Make no mistake, I loathe the health insurance companies.  But if and when private insurers decrease their prices to compete with a public plan, they most likely will hike premiums, hurting still more people -- just because they are that terrible.  

"So what?" some say. "Switch to the public option then."
There's where the biggest problem lies:  Paying for it.  The CBO's report from earlier this month said that if only 3 million people switch to the public plan over the course of a decade, it will enlarge the national debt by $1.042 trillion from 2010 to 2019, with the effect on the deficit increasing every year.  That's an incredible amount of money, and we're already facing record deficits.  I supported the stimulus package because of the unusual economic situation, but generally I am more conservative on fiscal issues. In particular I am a deficit hawk.  I strongly oppose spending on things we can't afford, except in certain circumstances, and this is not one of those circumstances.  Healthcare is a big problem, but it is not a national emergency or a war or economic crisis.  I'm all for reform, and I genuinely want major changes to our deeply flawed healthcare system.  But when it comes to unsustainable levels of spending that will eventually result in America failing to pay off the interest on the national debt...well, that's something I just can't get behind.  

I do want as many people as possible to afford health insurance, but the more people who sign on to the public plan, the closer we go towards fiscal ruin.  CBO's estimate of 3 million is almost certainly too small.  Small businesses with less than 10 employees employ 12.3 million Americans.  For these small businesses, together with numerous other slightly larger small businesses with payrolls of less than $250,000 ($500,000 under the Blue Dogs' compromise plan), the tax exemption will make it advantageous to switch to the public plan.  So right off the bat, that's way more than 3 million people switching, and that's not even counting people who simply want to switch their plan because it's cheaper. It will not make financial sense for any of these businesses to continue providing private health insurance to their employees under the mandate, so more and more businesses and people switch and more and more debt piles up on the backs of the taxpayers.  
And tax revenue still won't be able to keep up with the costs, again leading us to financial ruin.  

I don't want to look like I'm just taking this position to be obstinate; I'm not trolling here.  There are a lot of genuine problems with this healthcare reform proposal -- problems that the Blue Dogs' compromise does not alleviate.  And I'm just looking for someone to give me an honest explanation of how this is going to work.  

A couple of weeks ago, Reps. Rush Holt (D-NJ) and Leonard Lance (R-NJ) wrote dueling editorials in The Star-Ledger on this very subject.  

Rep. Holt wrote in favor of the liberal proposal, and while his editorial was certainly engaging, I felt that it glossed over the problems of the proposal (as might be expected in an op-ed).  Ultimately, I thought Rep. Holt made the case for major reforms to the healthcare system, but he did not really make the case for these changes specifically.  And that's not really an effective editorial, in my opinion...most everyone agrees that the current system is broken.  
You can see Rep. Holt's editorial here:  http://holt.house.gov/list/spe...

Rep. Lance, on the other hand, advocated the "Medical Rights and Reform Act," a centrist alternative to the Democratic proposal.  (An aside, if I may:  How refreshing to see an actual alternative being provided by the Party of No.)  Lance writes that this plan would not raise taxes, add to the federal debt, or jeopardize employer-provided insurance.  He describes the provisions of the bill as well.  
You can see Rep. Lance's editorial here:
http://lance.house.gov/index.c...

So here's what I want to see in the comments:
1.  Am I right or wrong to be worried about this proposal?  Won't it be unsustainably expensive for our federal government?  
2.  What do you think about the centrist alternative Rep. Lance was advocating in The Star-Ledger?
Talk to me.  

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I read those Op-Ed's too... (4.00 / 1)
and I have some of your same concerns... Namely, as a buisness, if a cheaper public plan comes out, I'm sure we would switch Jan. 1st. Currently my company switches almost every Jan 1st. because year after year the increases in premiums vary between insurers. In fact, I believe my employer has a consultant that advises us on which insurer is cheapest that year for the coverage we desire. So do I see many companies jumping to to the public plan instantaneously? Yes.

I read both editorials too. I agree, Mr. Holt did not address specifics of how to do it, but made the case that the current system needs refrom. I think everyone can agree on that.

I liked Mr. Lance's approach, I would like to see the cost drivers addressed in the current system. I just don't believe (although I favor tort reform) that tort reform is the pancea that will achieve major cost savings.

It's a very difficult issue, and I'm not familiar enough with the insurance company structure to really offer intelligent suggestions. That said, it seems like the government does a pretty good job regulating the utilities (another commodity that everyone needs/buys), it's not immediately clear why they cannot treat health insurance somewhat like electical rates and regulate costs and so on...

My 2 cents.  

"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


well (3.00 / 2)
Since to the regret of many liberals the draft bills ban your company from participating in the public plan I don't think that is a reason for you to oppose it, it's a reason for you to jump on board.  If you're sincere in your objections, of course.

Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

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I'm not opposed... (4.00 / 1)
or for it at this point... I'm just trying to figure it out.

But if existing plans are forbidden from switching to the public plan, doesn't that insulate the insurance companies from the competition that was supposed to drive costs down?



"Where ever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai


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I second (0.00 / 0)
William's question.

[ Parent ]
Thanks for your thoughts (0.00 / 0)
Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with their structure either, but I sincerely there is a true panacea for this.  Tort reform won't fix everything, and "rooting out waste, fraud, and abuse" in Medicare and Medicaid won't be able to pay for this proposal alone.  
I, too, did like the Lance approach, but I would like to hear more about it first.  Unfortunately there's no CBO report for that...
And yeah, I think companies would jump to the public plan instantly, which ultimately is the problem (sadly) due to the increased cost of the proposal every time one of them does so.  

[ Parent ]
this 3 million = 1 trillion debt (1.00 / 1)
that you are concerned about is sheer nonsense. Go get a quote that shows that.  


Frank LoBiondo Record and Jon Runyan Watch

It's in the CBO report (0.00 / 0)
Here's the link:
http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/d...

The $1.042 trillion figure has been widely cited.  It can be found in the table on the 18th page of that document, which shows the proposal's effects on the federal deficit from 2010-2019. The net effect is $1.042 trillion added to the debt.

The 3 million people figure is on page 4 of that same report.  Here's the quote:

All told, we estimate that, in 2016, about 9 million people who would otherwise have had employer coverage would not be enrolled in an employment-based plan under the proposal. The net effect of the proposal on employment-based health insurance reflects larger changes in the other direction, however. We estimate that about 12 million people who would not be enrolled in an employment-based plan under current law would be covered
by one in 2016, largely because the mandate for individuals to be insured would increase workers' demand for insurance coverage through their employer. On net, therefore, about 3 million more people would have their primary coverage through an employer under the proposal than under current law.


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A One Payer Program That... (0.00 / 0)
Eliminates the indurance companies solves the whole problem for everyone.

You still have the private sector actually PROVIDING ALL HEALTHCARE!!!!   But you trade a 30% overhead for one that's LESS than 3%.

The savings pay for all the uninsured and there  is no reason to raise anyone's taxes in the long term.

HR 676 is a 70 page bill that works, it's thought out and phased in.  No bullshit.

We will, eventually, have single payer.  The insurance industry is a totally absolutely defective and parasitic business model.  They provide absolutely nothing of value.

The ONLY reason they still exist is because they have hundreds of billions of dollars to spend on lobbying, campaign contributions and "PR" to confuse and to scare the shit out of people with all manner of lies that sound plausible on the surface but that are easily dispelled in any kind of real debate.....that's why they can't allow a full airing in Congress or in the main stream media.

Think!

PS After a decade of real healthcare for everyone, I bet that you start seeing a MUCH healthier population and even less utilization for chronic illnesses that are lifestyle related and/or preventable with early treatment.

What we have now perversely incentivises docs to do large quantities of tests/procedures, while dis-incentivising them from actually spending quality time with people to get to see them as a whole person....which leads to better results!



'Cost' is relative (0.00 / 0)
Right now, the employer-based healthcare system does not add to the deficit becuase WE pay for it through premiums.   If we thought of it as a 'tax' instead of a premium, its much the same dynamic.

If you add a public option, it would need not be free.  You would either need to institute premiums and copays (hopefully lower than private systems) or tax sufficiently to fund, or else you would be adding to deficit.

The question is, does any option save individuals over what they pay in premiums?


Individual Mandate (0.00 / 0)
Some Republicans have contributed on this issue...even if the leadership and/or media voices and thought leaders have not.   Usually their plans (as was Hillary Clinton's) revolve around an 'individual mandate.'  It is not a very Republican idea, and 100% of the party does not support it.

The Individual mandate idea, or the MA type plan is at least a way of reaching everyone with insurance.   To that extent, I like it better than nothing.   It has the advantage of getting some  Republican votes.  I would be real concerned with the poor who cannot afford it and have to constantly apply for demeaning 'grants' or 'help' for something they are now legally responsible to have - it would have to be automatic insurance payments to those whose income is of a certian level as of their last 1040.  

I also think you run into Constitutional issues with the Individual Mandate.  Most legal mandates are mandates to business or to government.  No other type of insurance is required just for living.  You need car insurance to drive a car in NJ.  That's acceptable.  You made the decision to drive.  But to require that everyone buy insurance...I don't think this Supreme Court would look at that kindly.  

Still if all else fails, this may be worth trying.


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