Fast track for furlough hearing

Workers Don't Care About Furloughs (0.00 / 0)

When is the press and everyone else going to realize that 95% of the state workforce does not care about the furloughs if those furloughs save jobs. That showed in the total lack of support for their " protest day."

Now the morons at CWA are going threaten Corzine with their political backing of that Glen Ridge nobody.

What political backing!

CWA is a paper tiger. No one beleives that they can " deliver" votes. Hell they can't even deliver members to picket for 15 minutes on their lunch break.

CWA Leadership is a prideless group of ego maniacs who just love to give quotes and get their faces on NJN.

Someone please tell them that they are irrelevant in this budget discussion  and that they have lost all credibility in New Jersey politics.      

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by: firstamend07 @ Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 19:04:48 PM UTC

Because workers do care about furloughs. (0.00 / 0)

Putting out blatantly false information is just wrong.  You may not care about furloughs and many of your colleagues may not care, but somehow almost everyone I work with does care.   Someone irreplaceable in my area of work said she's retire if there are furloughs as it shows no respect for the work she does.  We won't be able to replace her, unfortuately.   So unless you have some survey or poll that shows this information, would you please stop making false assertions.  

-pb

ps.  Can we remember your assertions on the level of Andrews support?  I hate bringing this up time and time again, but you are showing no restraint in making false assertions.  

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by: princetonblue @ Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 20:34:09 PM UTC

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"irreplaceable"??? really???? (0.00 / 0)

This is the type of statement you make that makes the rest of us wonder where you've been all this time.  There are plenty of private sector workers who would be difficult to replace who have lost their jobs.  This continued paradigm that state workers are somehow so much better than the rest of us is just unsupportable.

Of course, if she were truly "irreplaceable" what does that say about the rest of you that work with her?  Perhaps we need to look at whether your "area of work" is still needed today.  :-)

When we look at early retirement incentives, one of the reasons they don't work is that they merely reward people who were going to retire anyway.

I imagine FA is using the same evidence the rest of us would:  the relative paucity of employees participating in the protests.

Politically, supporting Bergmanson is a fool's errand.  If he gets 10% of the vote, he'll be doing well.

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by: Creed Pogue @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 11:05:56 AM UTC

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Yes, irreplaceable (0.00 / 0)

I said irreplaceable and I meant it.  With the loss of this person, certain jobs just won't be getting done anymore and it will be the state's loss.  

I know you can't understand this because you know nothing about how a large organization works, nor do you care.  

-pb

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by: princetonblue @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 13:31:12 PM UTC

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One More Point (0.00 / 0)

I know you can't believe this, but in my area of the state, we can't hire people as the salaries/compensation are too low.  When people leave, particularly more senior people, the state really does lose.   There are many improvements the state cannot implement because we don't have skilled enough people.  
People with these skills have repeatedly turned us down.  The state suffers as a result.    

-pb

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by: princetonblue @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 13:40:07 PM UTC

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"we can't hire people" ??? (0.00 / 0)

How many open state positions are there???

The people who have left because of the early retirement incentive aren't supposed to be backfilled anyway.

I can see why you remain anonymous.  If you actually "came out" with those views, you'd be laughed out of the state!!

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by: Creed Pogue @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 13:50:08 PM UTC

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Again, you have no facts (0.00 / 0)

What I wrote is true.  I can't help it if you don't believe it.  

The point is that you have a conception of state government that has little connection with the reality.   When a lawyer for the state down the street from me left the state last year, what should have turned into a major investigation (that he was pursuing) was dropped.   There will be no headline about this, but as a result, what was probably a big scandal will not be uncovered.   Who loses in this?  I think we all do.  

With all your furloughs, pay-cuts etc., what is happening is less of important government work gets done.  You would like to believe that all state workers are clerks who could easily replaced.   But that's not the reality.

-pb

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by: princetonblue @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 15:21:42 PM UTC

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Did you read Jason's new diary??? (0.00 / 0)

If the time is being spent on bikini waxes, 50/50s for bowling leagues and Ladies' Nights, then time isn't available for the important investigations.  We have the money and people we need to do the things we need to do, but we certainly don't have enough to do all the things we used to do.

Nothing prevents you from writing about the nascent scandal, by the way.

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by: Creed Pogue @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 16:08:28 PM UTC

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Yes, I read Jason's diary ... (0.00 / 0)

but I'm not sure what it adds to the big picture.  The people investigating bowling leagues aren't among the highly-skilled workers that I've been talking about.   I am completely aghast at what goes on in some parts of the state government.  My argument over the past few years is that things will only get worse if you think the solution is to pay people less.

And sorry, I'm not going to write details in a public site about a private investigation that was never completed.  That is why you don't want to be downsizing government in a mindless fashion.   Posting the info here would be wrong on so many levels.  I already post enough information here anyway, and you don't seem to like that information very much.

-pb

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by: princetonblue @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 16:21:15 PM UTC

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you ever hear of whistleblowers??? (0.00 / 0)

"write details in a public site about a private investigation that was never completed"

That sounds like a classic definition.

By the way, it isn't a "private" investigation if it is done by an unit of the state Attorney General's office.

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by: Creed Pogue @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 18:33:09 PM UTC

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Wrong Again (0.00 / 0)

You and the CWA leadership have been wrong on this from the beginning. I know I am right becasue I saw the futility of the protests and noticed , as did every politician in the state, that no one supported CWA leadership. That is except CWA 's new candidate for Governor against Corzine in the primary the Glen Ridge Mayor.

No one likes it but no one really cares either. If jobs are saved then most workers don't care.

It is part of life in 2009.

As far as your co-worker is concerned just remind her that everyone can be replaced. She probably has a lot of seniority and will never be effected by a layoff. She is exactly the type of person CWA leadership caters too.  

Sorry , but you are just out of touch on this issue.

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by: firstamend07 @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 10:03:59 AM UTC

You make a false statement and I'm wrong? (0.00 / 0)

You say that 95% of state workers don't care about the furlough.  You provide no proof for this ridiculous statement.  But you then boldly say I'm wrong again?  

I think you and creed should become drinking buddies.  Neither of you want to accept the world as it really is.

-pb

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by: princetonblue @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 13:33:29 PM UTC

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First One is on me (0.00 / 0)

I will not only buy CP a drink , but I will also buy one for you. It might loosen you up a little.

My facts, they are in the numbers.There are about 60,000 CWA members in New Jersey. Less than 1,500 ( yes I did keep track of the numbers at the different sites) came out to protest for 15 minutes on their lunch break.

That is not only a dismal showing , it is embarrassing.  

At the state house , a mere two blocks away from where thousands of CWA members work each day. Less than 100 people came out and more than half were CWA paid staffers ( I know because I watched) .

You can put a fork in CWA. Now that they are courting that nobody from Glen Ridge they are now irrelevant.  

By the way you can admit you are wrong. Don't alwasy pull a George Bush.  

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by: firstamend07 @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 20:10:57 PM UTC

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